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What next for Ukraine?

Here's my fear for both Ukraine and us in the West. This Sunday on the tv the Ukrainian ambassador to the US viewed the opinion that the war will last till the last Russian soldier has gone not only from the newly gained territory but also the whole of Donbas and Crimea. That means that they're now not only going to fight a war that started way back in 2014 but also that they'll keep the West under a blanket of constant moral chantage. They are the democracy that needs to be saved, as the grand damsel in a fairytale. However, lets not go into that rabbit hole. Realpolitik has been in existence since Cardinal Richelieu supported the protestant side in the Thirty Years War in order to weaken the Habsburg monarchs. Whatever the detail of the Israeli policy towards Ukraine is today, it will for sure be in the interest of the country first. Does one actually need to get the Russian Army reduced to almost nothing in the long run, but rather have the conflict settled with the less death possible and as soon as possible? Remember, the summer months of July and August will favour the Russian armoured columns the most, and furthermore, they consider the battlefield tactical nuclear strike as mere the another artillery option. Obviously Ukraine won't defeat Russia on their own. Will their next step not be trying to directly involve the West in the war? That will mean that the war will only end by either regime change in Moskow, or by the West really taking the crazed bet that the Russians won't use the nuclear option whilst they bomb their army out of Ukraine.
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helenS · 36-40, F
Does one actually need to get the Russian Army reduced to almost nothing in the long run
Yes, because if Russia is not being stopped now, it will attack another country, and another, and another, and the bodies will pile up everywhere.
It is most fortunate for the whole world that those brave Ukrainian men and women fight against the Russian tyranny. They deserve every support they need to win this horrible war.
val70 · 51-55
@helenS No, because Russia doesn't need to be put on its knees to come to diplomatic settlement of the conflit. Ending the war as soon as possible should be the only aim. The actual idea of reducement of the Russian army is actually absolute nonsense because looking back into the past the Russian army will survive anyhow because of the vastness of the country plus they do have the nuclear option now too. No, Ukraine can't be turned into the next Vietnam or Afghanistan. Nor should anyone want that.
helenS · 36-40, F
@val70
diplomatic settlement of the conflit
Conflict?? What conflict please? Russia has attacked an independent country. If some thugs invaded your home and killed your children, would you say there is a conflict that must be settled??
Outraged: helen
val70 · 51-55
@helenS Please, don't give me one of those reactions. Conflict there was before 2014, conflict there was after the Minsk settlement, and conflict is still there today. My country was invaded twice by the Germans. Shortly after the first time a distant cousin died of his wounds in 1915 after the retreat of our army out of Antwerp, and during the second and its four year long occupation another family member killed himself after the Germans tortured him. He was a resistance courrier of only 17 years old and the Nazis used a dog in their torture sessions to humiliate him. Whatever you might be outraged with, you might try to think first.
helenS · 36-40, F
@val70 I opposed the use of the word "conflict", because that word implies a symmetry that simply does not exist. Let Putin and his sycophants call it a conflict. In fact it's a war crime.
val70 · 51-55
@helenS No Helen, you weren't thinking that English could be my third language and that I could have loads more hinterland.
helenS · 36-40, F
@val70 English isn't my first language either.
Really · 80-89, M
@helenS I'd like to interject that although Russia's recent action is rightly called an invasion of Ukraine, Russia is exacerbating and taking advantage of real conflict that has existed within the borders of Ukraine for more than a century at least.
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@val70
diplomatic settlement of the conflit

Eventually (and not too far in the future) russia will be desperate for that.

They won’t get it.

The barbarians need to get out of the sovereign democracy of Ukraine.

Ukraine can't be turned into the next Vietnam or Afghanistan

Too late... the gangster state russia has already created a new Afghanistan for itself.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@Ferise1 looks like you're a Russian propagandist. No posts or history. Get lost troll.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Ferise1
The agressor is NATO

NATO is a purely defensive organisation.

One Russian to another: What’s the news?
—We’re at war with NATO!
How’s it going?
—We’ve lost 26,000 soldiers, 200 aircraft, and 900 tanks.
How about NATO?
—Oh, they haven’t started fighting yet.
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Ferise1 Is that why russia wants to steal Ukraine and absorb it as part of russia... so that russia will then share a border with several more NATO countries, and NATO missiles will be even closer to russia?

Gos, what a clever plan to resolve a concern by making it worse! 😂

Or maybe it’s just more of putin’s endless lies
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Ferise1 In his dreams, the lying autocrat putin wants to destroy Ukraine, absorb it, and relabel it as part of the russian gangster state.

In reality, he now has a new Afghanistan, and is running out of ways to divert attention away from 25,000 corpses of Russia’s children (and counting).

Once the barbarians are driven out of Ukraine, russia will be left with a very different neighbour. Even Belarus will be nothing like it is now.

Иди на хуй, россия

Слава Україні!

🇺🇦 🌻 🇺🇦
val70 · 51-55
@newjaninev2 In mid-1994, over 800,000 Tutsi and moderate Hutu were killed in the Rwandan genocide.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@val70 They should have asked the russians for help... they’re very experienced in genocide
@Ferise1
Pliz to tell Comrade Putin he need employ better trollings, HAHAHA!!
Khenpal1 · M
@Ferise1 what missiles ? source , evidence ? arms agreements ? otherwise I call you bs 😂
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Khenpal1 · M
@Ferise1 looser 😂
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Ferise1
no the latest thing was NATO training troops in Ukraine that was the last straw, Russia wants a buffer zone.

So? Russia has their own defense organization. If they wanted a buffer zone, they shoulda just invited Ukraine to that. 🤷‍♂️ Russia knows NATO would never attempt an invasion because Russia has more nukes than anyone; this issue is and always has been a distraction from Putin's lust for Ukraine's natural gas reserves.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Ferise1 Only 6% of russia’s land borders are with NATO countries, and NATO is a defensive organisation, legally unable to initiate conflict.

The liar putin tries to sell ‘self-defence’ as yet another of his falsehoods... much like his claim that nazis are everywhere and the russians are the only people who can stop them.

(apparently the best way to stop them is through murder, rape, looting, and destruction)



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