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I read this yesterday about pro-control/ pro-forced births. What do you think about it?

Here’s the thing

It doesn’t matter.

It doesn’t matter when life begins.

It doesn’t matter whether a fetus is a human being or not.

That entire argument is a red herring, a distraction, a subjective and unwinnable argument that could not matter less.

It doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about a fertilized egg or a fetus, or a baby or a five-year-old, or a Nobel Prize-winning pediatric oncologist.

NOBODY has the right to use your body, against your will, even to save their life, or the life of another person.

That’s it.

That’s the argument.

You cannot be forced to donate blood, marrow, or organs, even though hundreds of thousands die every year on waiting lists.

They cannot even harvest your organs after your death without explicit, written, pre-mortem permission.

Denying women the right to an abortion means we have less bodily autonomy than a corpse.
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Torsten · 36-40, M
NOBODY has the right to use your body, against your will, even to save their life, or the life of another person.

only when it seems to come to women though right? How many bullied and harassed others about not getting the covid vaxx and supported them losing their jobs and freedom? where was the my body my choice crowd than? oh right, supporting peoples rights over their bodies being taken away 🤷‍♂️

One good thing out of all this though is people suddenly remember what a woman is again
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten You're really hung up on the wrong thing just to feel edgy. You failed. As I asked another in this thread, you’re actually comparing a vaccine that helps fight a pandemic to forcing women to give birth? Ahh, poor widdle baby was bullied and harassed to get vaccinated. Waaaaaaa! Sorry, you got your feelings hurt but ultimately, it was still your choice. You weren't prosecuted like women will be for HAVING A MISCARRIAGE. You know, vasectomies will 100% prevent unwanted pregnancies. Why are we not having these conversations?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Randi1125 it isnt the wrong thing though and I dont feel edgy at all nor was i bullied over a vaccine.
Vasectomies dont end a life when done, that is why they are not in the conversation but i am all for vasectomies and men protecting themselves.
You all act like you are forced into getting pregnant when the majority of cases prove otherwise. Its mostly done out of recklessness. Maybe take better precautions and dont let a guy in you if he isnt wearing a condom and for the most cases you wont even need to think of abortions.
Nobody is outright banning abortions btw. Just possibly going by a state to state decision. If abortions are so important to yall and is not allowed in your state, go travel and get it done or again better yet have safe sex..
And before you bring up rape like everyone else does. Rape accounts for about 1% of abortions and in those cases I support it and if the mothers life is in danger of having the baby, I support it also. But can not support it when its just used as a form of contraception.
Dont like my opinion,I dont care
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten Oh really? Rape accounts for 1% of abortions??? Did you know 96% of statistics are fabricated? And you think abortion is being used as a form of contraception? No one gets an abortion because they want to “kill babies”. It is a horrible choice that women have to make. Get off your high horse. You haven't a clue of her circumstances. All your hateful rhetoric is just an attempt to feel superior when you have nothing at stake. Since you want to run your mouth and whine, how about we force every man responsible for impregnating a woman to pay a MINIMUM of $1000 per month in support. Let’s talk about how we can make sure BOTH parties are forced to care for that child. The reality is though, the responsibility will fall primarily on the woman. Also, sure, let the states decide but now there is no federal law protecting the right to choose. All states can ban. Traveling to another country is not an option for all. Don't like my opinion, I don't care.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Randi1125 yep about 1% and easy to say statistics are fabricated when it says something you dont like.

Most cases are people getting abortions because they are not ready for a child. How is that not being used as a form of contraception?

I dont feel superior at all, funny though from someone trying to tell others they dont know what others are thinking and what not, you love trying to tell me when I am thinking or how i feel. Hypocrisy right there.

Men are already forced to pay crazy amounts on child support.

Both parties should be held accountable for caring for that child. I believe that 100%
You act like a lot of men choose to neglect their responsibilities and that is true for some men but other times its the mothers who keep the fathers away due to biased laws and single parent payments.

I dont agree with your opinion as you dont mine and thats cool with me.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten For someone who is cool with differences of opinion, you sure seem bothered. Move on, dude.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Randi1125 how do i seem bothered? what, by not agreeing with you that makes me bothered?
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten See? You won't let it go. You have control issues. That's why you're so bent on abortion. You want to control women. Well, this is one woman you will NEVER control. 😂 Again, move on. Calm down. Get therapy.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten I have to go. It's been fun. ✌️
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Randi1125 I am replying to you replying to me yet i am the one here who wont let it go?? How do you honestly come up with that logic?
Ahh here comes more idiotic assumptions. Stop trying to make out like you are being victimized.
Im not trying to control you or any other women. Fucking hell, you people and that dumbass logic. Its pretty pathetic and just shows you cant back up anything any of you say and instead resort to stupid assumptions and accusations. If anyone needs therapy out of the two of us its you..
Now Im done
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Torsten HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Someone has their panties in a wad. If you don't have control issues, I dare you to actually "be done" and STFU.
@Torsten Fine, we keep abortion legal and you don’t have to get the jab, you big crybaby.
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