I read this yesterday about pro-control/ pro-forced births. What do you think about it?

Here’s the thing

It doesn’t matter.

It doesn’t matter when life begins.

It doesn’t matter whether a fetus is a human being or not.

That entire argument is a red herring, a distraction, a subjective and unwinnable argument that could not matter less.

It doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about a fertilized egg or a fetus, or a baby or a five-year-old, or a Nobel Prize-winning pediatric oncologist.

NOBODY has the right to use your body, against your will, even to save their life, or the life of another person.

That’s it.

That’s the argument.

You cannot be forced to donate blood, marrow, or organs, even though hundreds of thousands die every year on waiting lists.

They cannot even harvest your organs after your death without explicit, written, pre-mortem permission.

Denying women the right to an abortion means we have less bodily autonomy than a corpse.

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SatanBurger · 36-40, F

Pro lifers are a nasty bunch, I see them as no different than rapists for the fact that sex is often coercion. Note: I'm not saying sex IS coercion but that coercion is sometimes apart of relationships and both men/women can do it to each other. The thing that I believe is that as long as coercion exists, abortion should be a fundamental right. Sometimes men DO sleep with women under false pretenses and sometimes women want to get pregnant under false pretenses (to keep the man around.) Sometimes it's incest or actual assault, sometimes it's not.

So with that said, here comes pro lifers shaming people for getting abortions knowing nothing about the actual circumstances of said relationship, they are no different than coercive people and therefore exactly the same as rapists. They want control over our private parts, they want in there and they want to forcefully dictate our lives by force. This is basically rape.

Randi1125 · 31-35, F

@SatanBurger

I agree with everything you said. However, I also think there's something much more sinister happening in the US. It’s not even about religion or “murder”… they need women to have babies for taxes and workforce bodies. Look at the 2017 Paul Ryan speech. He came out and said it. Also, the adoption industry generates 14B annually while the prison industry only generates a little over 9B/year. More unwanted babies are the goal. There’s a reason the Alito opinion cited concerns about “our domestic infant supply". Women are being used as incubators because money is way more important to them than women's lives.

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

@SatanBurger For people who purport to be life affirming they speak almost exclusively in the language hate and revenge.

Randi1125 · 31-35, F

@Fukfacewillie

They don't care about these children once they're born. They absolutely are not "pro-life". I find it odd how they’re 100% placing all value on the unborn and not the person incubating it and it’s all based on “what if”. “What if that baby would go on to cure cancer?” Well “what if” that person carrying it goes on to cure cancer? What if?! Btw, statistically, an unwanted child born in poverty and without access to a proper education is way more likely to end up in prison than curing cancer but they don't wanna acknowledge that. Or do they? prisons for profit…

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

@Randi1125 The “what if” argument would apply to contraception and quickly leads to absurd conclusions.

There is a psychological reason why they don’t care about children once they are born, and I think its their inability to have sympathy. Anger at women allows them to be pro-life…no love or sympathy required.

Randi1125 · 31-35, F

@Fukfacewillie They desperately lack empathy. If they cared so much what are they doing to help the thousands of kids currently sleeping in hotels and getting lost in the foster system?

Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M

@Randi1125 Not that pragmatic considerations would matter, but how do these often poor Red states plan on dealing with more poverty, needs for social services, etc?

What about children born with severe deformities, or Downs syndrome? They will need care from the state their whole lives, and more young women will be on welfare. Since these red states despise social programs, it just going to create a lot of misery.

Randi1125 · 31-35, F

@Fukfacewillie

I know! It's mind-boggling. It's easy to root for the unborn because it costs them nothing, no reflection, risk, or investment of time beyond their keyboard. These unwanted pregnancies are going to force children into the foster care system, into poverty, and trauma. But they don't care. They don't want to give these children financial assistance, proper education, healthcare, free school lunches, it just goes on and on. Disgusting.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Randi1125 I've never thought about being incubators but that would add up with corporate culture and the way schools are set up for that type of mindset. Too much to get into but would explain a lot. That's actually really sinister.