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Scrapping Roe v. Wade will simply be one more step of many for the United States in its quest to abandon the moniker..

moniker "Leader of the Free World" in favor of a new one: "Regressive Third World Theocracy"
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fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
IF this happens it will leave the question up to the individual States. Then the voters can have their say. Isn't this country supposed to be a democracy?
@fanuc2013 Sure, but the Republicans want to eventually ban it federally.
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 Let me provide a different perspective if that’s okay. Trump appointed 3 Justices. He didn’t have a majority of the vote when elected. One appointment was Obama’s and McDonnell stole it. Obama had a majority of the popular vote. Bush appointed Thomas. Bush also did not have a majority.

54 percent of Americans think the 1973 Roe decision should be upheld while 28 percent believe it should be overturned — a roughly 2-to-1 margin.

So, isn’t this supposed to be a democracy?

I know all the counter arguments, and you surely aren’t moved. But this is how we see it, and it’s not an unreasonable perspective.
@Human1000 Just another reason why we shouldn't have the electoral college.
And Democrats really need to stop playing nice with literal Fascists.
Human1000 · M
@BohemianBoo Dems never should have let McConnell get away with it. Time to get tough and take risks.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Human1000 The justices are supposed to interpret the constitutionality of any given law. The opinion of the people on any given law is not a criteria. So, if what you say is true, you have nothing to complain about, your State will merely enact whatever statute the voters desire, and that is how it should be.
@Human1000 Yeah, Democrats are known for just rolling over to Republicans, but that was legit one of the most egregious examples. It's a miracle that they didn't just let Trump stay president.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@BohemianBoo We have the electoral college so the populous states can't dictate to the rest of the states. If we didn't have the electoral college, the east coast and the west coast would elect the president. The voters in the heartland would be wasting their time going to the polls. This is the definition of disenfranchisement.
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 You have only addressed the pole I cited. I didn’t think you would change your mind, but was hoping you might acknowledge a different perspective as reasonable even if you didn’t ultimately agree. Oh well, I tried.
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 You are literally saying a majority vote shouldn’t elect a president but are concerned about a democracy. Incredible. Now, a minority dictates and you think that is better.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Human1000 I used to think the same way, until I saw how the electoral college works. This was set up by the founding fathers to keep populous states from running roughshod over all the others.
@fanuc2013 Actually, it was set up to keep people from voting to end slavery. That's why whenever they added an anti-slavery state to the union, they made sure to also add a pro-slavery state.
And it doesn't make sense to say the EC keeps "states" from running over others. States aren't people. individual human beings vote.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@BohemianBoo Exactly! The way the population is dispersed right now, the coasts would elect the president. So, without the EC. an "individual human being" voting in Wyoming is wasting their time. Is that fair?
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 It’s one election, not anyone telling a state what to do. The Senate is the check on your concern, anyway. At least stop saying “Isn't this country supposed to be a democracy?”
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@fanuc2013 Actually, as its been pointed out to me several times, the nation is not a Democracy. Its a Republic.😷
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Human1000 I didn't say anyone was telling a state what to do. I merely stated that the Supreme Court says there is no constitutional right to abortion. So, the people of each state will have to decide for themselves how they want this issue settled. Isn't that the definition of democracy?
Human1000 · M
@whowasthatmaskedman A republic doesn’t require the electoral college.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@whowasthatmaskedman You are absolutely correct!
@fanuc2013 [quote]Exactly! The way the population is dispersed right now, the coasts would elect the president. So, without the EC. an "individual human being" voting in Wyoming is wasting their time. Is that fair?[/quote]

No, "the coasts" wouldn't elect the president. The majority of Americans, regardless of state, would elect the president. People vote, not land.
And what you're saying about voting in Wyoming not mattering, that's actually what we have now. With the EC, voting in a super red state like Wyoming doesn't matter. The state will always go to the Republicans. But without the EC, then the people of that state will count just as much as everyone else.
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013. No, actually, because women under 18 can’t vote. Further, rights are not subject to votes.
Human1000 · M
@BohemianBoo One person one vote? How undemocratic of you!
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Human1000 But, the electoral college is written into our Constitution. So, it would require a constitutional amendment to remove it. That process takes years to complete if it passes at all, good luck with that.
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 Yes, you are certainly right about that.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Human1000" Women under 18 can't vote"??? Neither can men!
@Human1000 We can even have... wait for it... Direct Democracy on certain issues! 🇺🇸
Human1000 · M
@fanuc2013 Correct again. But you got my point..