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BlueVeins · 22-25
I mean it's a bit of a stretch to call this a protest. Not saying it's bad, just like... breaking and entering into a private residence is not a protest. The cops showed up and arrested the intruders anyway, so that's hardly sending the message that it's OK. The mayor plays dumb because he doesn't wanna be all pro-oligarch in public and the intruders kinda have a point. The property should be seized.
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@BlueVeins the mayor is sending the message "yes, protest a cause we agree with, that doesn't cause us problems. If you protest something that causes us problems, might mean we have to do something, the you're arrested."
It's been going this way for at least 3 years.
It's been going this way for at least 3 years.
Cierzo · M
The west doing western things.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I know what your on about .There is a big difference between occupying a balcony on a building and blocking major roads like motorways .Blocking roads is dangerous no.1 and its also inconveniencing hundreds of people and causing disruption to the countries economy .Peacefully protesting on a buildings balcony isnt inheritily dangerous isnt really inconveniencing anyone and are just a bit annoying for police .If they had caused damage or broken into the building they would have soon been arrested.
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@Rhode57 the protests were peaceful. The impact wasn't. What is the point of protesting if it has zero effect?
The effect of occupying a Russian house is that the Mayor of London, a government representative, gave the ok to protest about Russia. That's what I have a problem with...if they were occupying a house for extinction rebellion or BLM the Mayor wouldn't be saying it's ok.
The message is clear "protest what we agree with"
That's my issue.
The effect of occupying a Russian house is that the Mayor of London, a government representative, gave the ok to protest about Russia. That's what I have a problem with...if they were occupying a house for extinction rebellion or BLM the Mayor wouldn't be saying it's ok.
The message is clear "protest what we agree with"
That's my issue.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
@Forgetmeknot Their are rules and regulations and provided they dont break into a building cause damage etc then there is nothing anyone can do because its peaceful protest .However what extinction rebellion and blm did wasnt always peaceful and defacing statues or pulling them down etc is criminal damage in anyones book and yes would get you arrested .No one is gonna stop peaceful protest provided its not causing upset to the rest of people going about their daily lives and not a danger to others and provided the law isnt being broken .Blocking major roads is reckless and dangerous and hence there were arrests made .
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@Rhode57 would the mayor speak up in favour of a peaceful protest that doesn't suit his agenda or government agenda? Would he defend the right to protest generally?
Graylight · 51-55, F
They're protesting to literally keep their homeland underneath their feet and their loved ones alive long enough to see peace from and invading army.
The rest of the world was busy crying over protecting themselves and others with a piece of cloth.
If it's not embarrassing, it really should be.
The rest of the world was busy crying over protecting themselves and others with a piece of cloth.
If it's not embarrassing, it really should be.
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Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@Graylight at the moment laws vary.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Forgetmeknot True, and the more I think about it, the more there seem to be some double standards at play (though a US truck convoy blocking commerce to protest what we've already removed is hardly the same as rebelling to keep your homeland.)
Much of it's our own fault, at least on this side of the pond. We've spiraled down and down into Karens and Kens who cry foul about cartoons and candy. Seattle protestors, bad. South Carolina protestors, bad. Minnesota protestors, bad. DC protests, bad. Blacks and gay rights protests, bad. Everybody's wanted to come down so damned hard on people protesting what they themselves don't like that we've made the very concept of protest distasteful and contrary.
And then we see a place like Ukraine, where people are protesting with fear of arrest, indefinite detention and possibly death. For a moral cause, for the right to live one's life freely. But we hate protests, remember? Degenerates protest, bigots protest, babies protest. That's how we've been seeing it here, and we stand in no place to judge what's happening in Ukraine. Many in this country have never lived through an honest-to-god war that consumes the country; we grew up on movies and ideals and we're in no place to judge what is and is not worthy protest.
Much of it's our own fault, at least on this side of the pond. We've spiraled down and down into Karens and Kens who cry foul about cartoons and candy. Seattle protestors, bad. South Carolina protestors, bad. Minnesota protestors, bad. DC protests, bad. Blacks and gay rights protests, bad. Everybody's wanted to come down so damned hard on people protesting what they themselves don't like that we've made the very concept of protest distasteful and contrary.
And then we see a place like Ukraine, where people are protesting with fear of arrest, indefinite detention and possibly death. For a moral cause, for the right to live one's life freely. But we hate protests, remember? Degenerates protest, bigots protest, babies protest. That's how we've been seeing it here, and we stand in no place to judge what's happening in Ukraine. Many in this country have never lived through an honest-to-god war that consumes the country; we grew up on movies and ideals and we're in no place to judge what is and is not worthy protest.
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@Graylight yes.
Ambroseguy80 · 56-60, M
There’s a lot of doublespeak and double standards going on in the world right now.
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@Ambroseguy80 💯
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Makes you want to think but many are not bright yet to think.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Agree.
There are a lot of double standards at work.
There are a lot of double standards at work.
JonathanSJ · 36-40, M
Double standard?
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@JonathanSJ yea, it's ok to protest as long as the government agrees with your protest - which makes protest pointless.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It might help to look at what they were doing that was wrong - and it was NOT their protests but how they were protesting....
Forgetmeknot · 41-45
@ArishMell if they were occupying a house for extinction rebellion or BLM the Mayor wouldn't be saying it's ok.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Forgetmeknot Maybe not, but that would be His Lordship playing politics where he should not.
I am as appalled by Putin's invasion of the Ukraine as those protestors are, but a bunch of self-important types forcing their way into another's property without authority is wrong whatever the cause or whoever the owner. Nor will it achieve anything at all useful.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I am as appalled by Putin's invasion of the Ukraine as those protestors are, but a bunch of self-important types forcing their way into another's property without authority is wrong whatever the cause or whoever the owner. Nor will it achieve anything at all useful.
Two wrongs do not make a right.