@samwithoutapath The Ukrainians never adhered the Minsk agreements. Also, weeks before the war they said they would take Crimea at all costs.
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Absolutely not. Do you think acceptance of these terms would prohibit Putin from invading again in the future?
He’s already broken several prior agreements when invading Ukraine; Putin’s word means nothing at this stage.
Russia’s position right now is weak, hence why Putin is stepping back his invasion plan. If I were Zelenskyy, I wouldn’t cede a single inch of Ukrainian sovereign territory to the aggressor. Let Russia be seen to fail.
@SW-User Yes, the murderous autocrat putin is a liar, and, as you say, his word needs nothing. He is becoming increasingly desperate to extricate his country from the new Afghanistan he has created. He needs to do that before the russian populace realises what has happened, and becomes aware of the world’s contempt.
No, they're ridiculous concessions. Russia needs to recognize Ukrainian sovereignty if they want peace. Besides, they will be getting desperate sooner or later... invading Ukraine may or may not work, but achieving their long-term objectives is, at this point, virtually impossible.
@BlueVeins That's not what you did with Cuba. The U.S. threatened nuclear war if Russia sent its missiles to Cuba. The U.S. literally claims the Monroe doctrine on two continents, so why can't Russia have control in Ukraine? Literally, all of Latin America hates you, yet you're not willing to let the Russians break the same rules you break?
Ah, because Putin these day gave the world the impression he's the type to keep an oath...
The Ukrainian P.M. will predictably and reasonably indicate to him where he can put those conditions.
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I would never agree with Putin for nothing. He cant be trusted. If you read the story he agreed to let the Ukranians evacuate over the weekend and then they shot down civilians including women and children. He's a psycho that i think has truly lost his mind.
No... but considering the whole country being destroyed and on the verge of invasion by such a person and his army, then they might... circumstances make a lot of difference...
@Elessar The Ukrainians have been negotiating with the Russians for 8 years. These have constantly been the terms which Russia has sought ever since the 2014 coup. These were the terms given to the United States two weeks before the invasion. This is what they publicly stated that they wanted and reasons for invading Ukraine. Only someone who's not paying attention could say that accepting what the Russians have wanted for a decade would not lead to an end of hostilities.
@Soossie The Ukrainian leadership knows better than ourselves who they're dealing with. A nuclear terrorist state that has zero credibility.
Russia is in the weakest position right now, they're trying to "steal" a favourable agreement out of negotiations but they're not really in the position to dictate anything, and Ukrainians know it well.
I would've accepted those terms before the war. Not only would Ukraine's security be guaranteed by Russia, but all that military budget could go towards actually taking Ukraine out of mass poverty. You also would have avoided a costly war and the taking of many lives.
@beckyromero i had to watch that. a classic i see. my orders are to stop you. kinda said it all. ya dont give in to a bully for he will keep taking more and more. and putin is a bully. thanks for the video.
But...the Minsk Agreement of 2014, among other issues, that Ukraine signed said that Ukraine would not join NATO or have foreign troops on its soil.
And treat the ethnic Russians in the south as equals.
Then, Ukraine started making motions to join NATO, cut off the water to southern Ukraine and Crimea, and prohibited them from voting in national elections after the annexation by Russia.
It was former Senator McCain that visited Ukraine, stood up in public, and said he supported the separatists fighting for independence in southern Ukraine, Crimea. He instigated the revolution and encourage Russia.
It's not all black and white.
But I would sign if the other representatives agreed to it. Southern Ukraine and Crimea is 80 percent ethnic Russian. National boundaries were drawn 100 years ago based on geography, such as rivers and mountains, not population. If the Crimeans vote to join Russia, they should be allowed, they have been Russian for 1000 years.
U.S. Brigadier General Anthony McAuliffe's answer to the German commander's demand that the U.S. surrender Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944 would be an appropriate reply.
@doong the russian barbarians can have peace at any time. They simply need to leave the sovereign nation of Ukraine... a nation that they invaded for no reason other than the ego of the unbalanced, neurotic putin.
