Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Russians have a history of devastating invasions by whichever western power is on top in any given century, and Ukraine’s border is indefensible - in the hands of geopolitical antagonists, it is a dagger.
So no, they won’t allow Ukraine to become a NATO state. Everything else about this situation is largely window dressing.
It doesn’t matter that it’s voluntary. If in a few decades US falls on hard times and Mexico starts cozying up to some China-led alliance - we may well take similar actions. We overthrew governments for less during the Cold War.
This is just geopolitics, things will settle down soon.
So no, they won’t allow Ukraine to become a NATO state. Everything else about this situation is largely window dressing.
It doesn’t matter that it’s voluntary. If in a few decades US falls on hard times and Mexico starts cozying up to some China-led alliance - we may well take similar actions. We overthrew governments for less during the Cold War.
This is just geopolitics, things will settle down soon.
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul You reference Russia, but isn’t it’s Putin’s worldview as a defeated Cold Warrior? Yeltsin got along well with the West. And as for former foes, France gets along with Germany. I don’t see this conflict as inevitable, or even likely. Without Putin, none of this would be happening. Or, are we operating under an “inevitable Strongman” theory?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie Yeltsin was a naive drunken bumbling fool, and it is during his tenure when Russians realized nothing has actually changed.
Putin, no Putin - any Russian leader would do whatever is necessary to ensure that NATO or anything like it doesn’t include Ukraine. This isn’t about the Cold War, this view of Russian geographic security calculus predates Napoleon.
Like I said before regarding Mexico - Russians aren’t alone about taking a hard line on situations like this.
Putin, no Putin - any Russian leader would do whatever is necessary to ensure that NATO or anything like it doesn’t include Ukraine. This isn’t about the Cold War, this view of Russian geographic security calculus predates Napoleon.
Like I said before regarding Mexico - Russians aren’t alone about taking a hard line on situations like this.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul We seem have a different view of historical inevitability.😑
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
JohnRing · 56-60, M
He’s former KGB, those were the good old days for him. He thinks he’s in the line of Russian despots and that Ukraine deserves what it gets.
Driver2 · M
The guy is delusional, a delusional nutcase with nukes .
So we do have something in common with Russia after all.
So we do have something in common with Russia after all.