mad bad vlad

i am interested and very worried on what is going in in ukraine and where it will take the world . i am a bit concerned in the main player in this putin .i can understand he does not like the idea of nato in ukraine and on his door step . but why the cold war ended in 1991 so why does putin hate and mistrust the west and there intentions . nobody has twisted ukraine arm to join nato . basically they are doing it as they do not feel safe with the bullying coming from putin . it is time putin accepts much as he hates the idea the old soviet empire has be put into history books . never a step back to the cold war mistrust and arms race between east and west

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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

Russians have a history of devastating invasions by whichever western power is on top in any given century, and Ukraine’s border is indefensible - in the hands of geopolitical antagonists, it is a dagger.

So no, they won’t allow Ukraine to become a NATO state. Everything else about this situation is largely window dressing.

It doesn’t matter that it’s voluntary. If in a few decades US falls on hard times and Mexico starts cozying up to some China-led alliance - we may well take similar actions. We overthrew governments for less during the Cold War.

This is just geopolitics, things will settle down soon.

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Human1000 · M

@QuixoticSoul You reference Russia, but isn’t it’s Putin’s worldview as a defeated Cold Warrior? Yeltsin got along well with the West. And as for former foes, France gets along with Germany. I don’t see this conflict as inevitable, or even likely. Without Putin, none of this would be happening. Or, are we operating under an “inevitable Strongman” theory?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Human1000 Yeltsin was a naive drunken bumbling fool, and it is during his tenure when Russians realized nothing has actually changed.

Putin, no Putin - any Russian leader would do whatever is necessary to ensure that NATO or anything like it doesn’t include Ukraine. This isn’t about the Cold War, this view of Russian geographic security calculus predates Napoleon.

Like I said before regarding Mexico - Russians aren’t alone about taking a hard line on situations like this.

Human1000 · M

@QuixoticSoul We seem have a different view of historical inevitability.😑

pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M

I will not reply other than to say there is no us and them,just them.We are played by them,who rule us by fear and lies.Prison planet.

Mikemcneil · 61-69, M

I'm guessing you missed the whole Crimea thing?

Entheesa · 31-35, F

I think all the NATO talk is a distraction

JohnRing · 56-60, M

He’s former KGB, those were the good old days for him. He thinks he’s in the line of Russian despots and that Ukraine deserves what it gets.

graphite · 61-69, M

@JohnRing There's even an old photo of Putin, with the KGB, impersonating Average Soviet Citizen, meeting with Ronald Reagan.

Driver2 · M

The guy is delusional, a delusional nutcase with nukes .
So we do have something in common with Russia after all.

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