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Why do people take Jordan Peterson seriously?

The Candian Conservative Psychology Professor and internet culture-warrior embarrassed himself on British TV by attempting to obfuscate a highly specific and high profile case of racism: See 3.30 on this clip for the exchange in question.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iGfMgPjwY]

Those unfamiliar with the incident can see the testimony of Azeem Rafiq, the ex-Yorkshire cricket player and whistleblower on racist bullying within the sport:

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcx2KLZXmEU]

Here, Peterson has obviously waded into an issue that he knows nothing about but in doing so exposed the vacuousness of his own arguments.

The point he was trying to make (within his own terms) is that words like 'racism' are bandied about too much and encompass different things. That individuals should be judged by their individual actions and that using 'abstractions' such as 'institutional racism and 'systemic racism' are counter-productive because they 'put groups against each other'.

This argument is based on the assumption that society is colour-blind and essentially devoid of racism apart from a few bad actors. Therefore to identify racism as having any societal, cultural or political aspect is not only wrong but dangerous. It creates division where there was none. Those who identify the problem are creating the problem and he who smelt it dealt it.

Rafiq's testimony exposes in gut-wrenchingly brutal fashion how weak and disingenuous these arguments are. This is a man who experienced racist bullying over a number of years from multiple people and Yorkshire Cricket club did nothing to stop the problem. In fact, Rafiq was asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement by the club. YCC themselves ran an investigation into his allegations and found that it was 'just jokes' which Rafiq misinterpreted. The idea that there is no institutional racism at play here is clearly ridiculous. That is before you even get to questions about a wider society that socialises racist attitudes. Questions that Dr Peterson clearly has no interest in asking.

It is Peterson himself who has demonstrated 'low-resolution thinking' and is using abstractions to avoid dealing with real issues. That he is successful owes everything to the fact that he tells a section of people what they want to hear using big words. In other words, he's a fraud.
SW-User
[quote]That he is successful owes everything to the fact that he tells a section of people what they want to hear using big words[/quote]

I think that sums it up. His main appeal is that he is a self-help guru who appeals to disaffected men who feel like they're not living their full potential. He tells those men it's leftists and feminists who are preventing them from being their authentic selves. He [i]sounds[/i] more intelligent than many people who say the same thing. I think much of his self-help advice is fine and common sense and not harmful. But I also think the fact that he seems to appeal to the incel/alt-right crowd is telling of the kind of ideology that he supports.

The same people who absolutely [i]delight[/i] in those "BEN SHAPIRO ANNIHILATES LEFTIST REPORTER!" videos on YouTube think Jordan Peterson is a sage. The rest of us think he's mostly a charlatan.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User I think a big part of it is that he links the self-help stuff to right-wing political ideology. As you say his self-help stuff is fine. It's not novel or new though and can be accompanied by any political view.
BlueVeins · 22-25
he's the right-wing's finest eye candy

SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BlueVeins ^^This^^
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
The dude had a highly publicized debate over communism and didn't even read anything beyond the Communist Manifesto.

He's a fraud and a buffoon who just makes up metaphysical nonsense about the way humanity should function based on some cursory mining of western traditionalism as "good" and modernism as "bad".
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula Yes. But he is still taken seriously by a lot of people. Its a tragedy of our age that he probably still is the most popular university professor on the internet.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I would have to look it up but did you know there were people that put fake scientific reports out and an actual medical journal picked it up? That's how easy it is to fool people. For this reason, Jordan Peterson is sort of like one of those fake science generators that generates scientific sounding sentences even though it's complete nonsense.

I'm not saying that people are dumb, I'm just saying that he takes advantage of people not knowing anything about the subjects he talks about. He knows that most people don't examine biases and won't confront him at all.

The ultimate point is, this is why people take Jordan Peterson and others who are like him seriously. He's really good at spouting utter nonsense like an internet generator and then sounding confident as he does it. So people pick that up and believe it. If you have charisma, it's like that one Family Guy episode where the guy makes Peter do terrible things, because his accent sounds good 😂🥺
What?! Peterson was just leveraging his ability to speak in snappy terms on a subject with which he was largely ignorant?!
Say it ain't so!

This is the guy who said that medicine kills more people than it saves.

[quote]"Now that's just a guess and it could easily be wrong....but it also could NOT be wrong!"[/quote]

lol fucking AMZING.
@Pikachu Likewise. Not afraid to admit that.

I think with Petersen he also has weaponized his psychology training and is not above manipulating his followers.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yeah i think he has credentials which he uses to project authority on subjects for which his credentials are irrelevant.
@Pikachu Absolutely, and his training is unfortunately something that would make manipulating an audience and building a cult of personality child's play.
He is successful because he tells largely white suburban conservative men what they want to hear. "don't worry, it is actually everyone else who are the reactionaries." And he couches it in psycho babble that gives it an air of academic credibility.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes. I'd watch the videos because this exposes it perfectly.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

That's a pretty good summary
SmartKat · 56-60, F
Jordan Peterson isn’t [i]always[/i] wrong. His problem is, he thinks he’s always right.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SmartKat ... and that he has an opinion on EVERYTHING, even the stuff he never ever read into.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Jordan Peterson thinks that we should all be like lobsters for maximum survival.
I however think I wouldn't like to end up in a boiling pot.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89 It would mean you'd failed in the 'dominance hierarchy.

*Said in a stoic 'smart dude voice*
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
You sure took him down a notch .
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt He took himself down. I just demonstrated how.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 experts have been trying to take him down for half a decade but you finally did it ! Bravo!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt LOL. Either I'm a genius of JBP is a bullshitter. Take your pick. 😜

 
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