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[b]University of Colorado Hospital System Denies Woman’s Life-Saving Kidney Transplant; Will No Longer Provide Organ Transplants to Unvaccinated [/b]

One of Colorado’s largest hospital systems has implemented a new policy that denies organ transplants to patients who have not taken the experimental Covid-19 vaccine under “almost all situations.”

All organ donors will also have to be vaccinated under the new policy, and it has already stopped one woman from receiving the life-saving treatment she needs.

Last month, the University of Colorado Health sent a letter to Leilani Lutali informing her that her status on the waiting list for a kidney transplant was “inactivated” for “non-compliance” because she has chosen not to take the jab. She was given 30 days to take the shot, or else she would be removed from the transplant list completely.

Lutali, who has stage 5 renal failure, was told by the hospital in August that she wouldn’t need to be vaccinated to get her new kidney and was only made aware of the hospital’s new segregation policy when she received her letter in the mail – and only AFTER she was able to find a donor she knew who was willing to give her a kidney.

CBS4 Denver spoke with Lutali about the hospital’s policy and their reasoning behind foregoing the rushed vaccine, which she says has “too many unknowns.”

“I said I’ll sign a medical waiver. I have to sign a waiver anyway for the transplant itself, releasing them from anything that could possibly go wrong.

It’s surgery, it’s invasive. I sign a waiver for my life. I’m not sure why I can’t sign a waiver for the Covid shot.”

They also spoke with her donor – Jaimee Fougner – who was outraged that the hospital could decide not to operate when there is a kidney available that will save her friend’s life.

Like Lutali, Fougner is also not vaccinated.

“It’s your choice on what treatment you have. In Leilani’s case, the choice has been taken from her. Her life has now been held hostage because of this mandate.
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Carla · 61-69, F
Other vaccinations have always been required before transplants.

People that have unhealthy habits that they wont abandon also get turned down.

Wasting something as extraordinary as an organ on someone that wont do everything possible to prolong their life is unacceptable to the medical community.

Seems you have unblocked me.
Time outs are for children, bud.
Treating adults as children is childish in itself.
Those vaccines were trust worthy. People weren't dying from them. @Carla
Carla · 61-69, F
@Spoiledbrat people die from vaccinations. Always have. The percentages, like that of the covid vaccine, are incredibly low.
Unless, of course, you believe info that is purposely and maliciously, inflated.
This is different because the vaccine was rushed and not properly tested. @Carla
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat It was properly tested.
There's issues with it. People don't just not want to get vaccinated because it's perfectly safe. 🙄@QuixoticSoul
And it might be finally tested now, I don't even know but it hadn't been initially. 🙄
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Yes it had. The phase 3 trials had ~30k participants for each of the three vaccines we have in the US. There are no real issues with any of them, they're all extremely safe.
Prove that they had been fully tested because I read that they had not because they wanted to get them out to the people to help stop the virus from spreading. @QuixoticSoul
They weren't tested the way other vaccines have been.
mikeylyksit · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Vaccines typically need considerable time to be thoroughly tested because the trials are small and therefore, it takes a long time to obtain a sizable data set to make any kind of determination if a prospective vaccine might be safe (and effective) or not.

In the history of vaccinations, the various COVID vaccinations are extremely unusual. No vaccine in history has been as thoroughly tested as any of the major COVID vaccinations. Think of it this way. Due to the sheer numbers involved, one single year of trials of comirnaty (for example) provides a data set equal to HALF A CENTURY of data compiled for just about any non-covid vaccine you could name.

At this point, if you are talking about the "top 6" of the covid vaccinations, all of them have been much more thoroughly tested than any vaccine you could name in the history of vaccines. 20 or 30 years from now, the data on safety and effectiveness of Pfizer/Moderna/Janssen, for example...
Will look almost identical to the data as it stands today. The differences that we see over time will be (statistically speaking) insignificant.

It boils down to, right at this very moment in time (8 October 2021). There are many Covid vaccinations known to be very safe and very effective. Among them are Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen, just to name a few. Those who object to Pfizer/Moderna due to new MRNA technology concerns should prefer the Janssen vaccine. Janssen is (arguably) the best of the top three anyway. And it uses technology that has existed for many decades.

But they all have been thoroughly tested by any standard. ALL of them.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Carla [quote]Seems you have unblocked me.
Time outs are for children, bud.
Treating adults as children is childish in itself.[/quote]

Yes, I did.
You act as a petulant child.
Straighten up and fly right, or it's back to time out for you.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Carla [quote]Other vaccinations have always been required before transplants.[/quote]

So what?
This isn't about other vaccines.
This about the one that kills people sometimes. Read another post about a young woman that was forced to take it and died. https://similarworlds.com/politics/4075255-Jessica-Died-as-a-Direct-Result-of-an-Experimental

[quote]Wasting something as extraordinary as an organ on someone that wont do everything possible to prolong their life is unacceptable to the medical community. [/quote]
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to offend the medical community! After all, they have developed a vaccine so sketchy that the government has to force us to take it!
All I know is what I read. It was in the news that it was rushed. So what you say means nothing to me. It's not proof. @mikeylyksit
The vaccine wasn't accepted by the fda.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat It was not rushed. The clinical trials for our vaccines were massive - ten times the number of people participated as required. Covid being what it is, made it extremely easy to find fitting subjects.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Not accepted? Pfizer was. Moderna applied for full approval in August - they will get it. J&J is planning to apply later this year.
but not before. and sone still aren't accepted. Thats a problem for some people. Honestly it's no big deal that some people are apprehensive. They have a right to be. @QuixoticSoul
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Not accepted makes it sound like you’re trying to say applications were rejected - all of these vaccines will get full approval.

People have a right to do whatever, but we have the right to mock them. In reality these vaccines are remarkably safe, and those very few people who have a hard time with them would likely have a hard time with COVID as well.
I just said plain and simple that they haven't been accepted and that's the truth. There's a reason for that. And people have a right to question that. @QuixoticSoul
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat What reason are you trying to suggest, exactly?
I'm not. But they had to have had a reason not to accept it?? Or they would have. @QuixoticSoul
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat That is not how any of this works. Moderna applied for full approval in August. Its application is under standard review. J&J said last year that they’d be filing in late 2021, and that is still on track.

You cannot accept an application that has not been filed yet.
But the point is they haven't been approved. @QuixoticSoul
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Point is, “company filing for full approval while sending BLA information to the FDA and having long completed all the required clinical trials” is not the same as “they had to have a reason not to accept it”.
Fine but tney're still not approved. @QuixoticSoul