Why do people keep claiming the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine have killed more people than Covid-19?

@Stopmakingsense Not all conservatives are antivax .. that claim itself is disinformation

@Stillwaiting Every single conservative viewpoint is based in obvious lies.
They're used to getting their way as a group on everything from Christopher Columbus to the Iraq war.

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True, but the vast majority of anti-vaxers identify as Conservatives, despite the fact that many of them want to conserve little and react and retrogress more, back to the guilded age, with concessions to the [i] really[/i] good old days before the Ten Commandments and the Code of Hammurabi.

I agree with what you're saying, but if the conservative "brand" is to be salvaged, those who support it should actually speak up against those trying to pervert it.

Here's some data on vaccine refusal to back up @MistyCee

@Stopmakingsense "Every single" .. more bullshit .. Not every democrat is a leftwing nut job like AoC, I can see that ..

@MistyCee I do speak out against what I disagree with on conservative side. While I identify as conservative .. I believe both parties are failing the citizens of this country and have for decades.

Most conservatives are anti-vax mandates, anti firing people for not being vaxed, etc. There is a huge difference there vz being just antivax .. but all painted by the same generalizations.

@ElwoodBlues Thanks for the backup.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of pointing out individual instances of where this new Trumpist/GOP movement is neither conservative nor directed at the common good, or in any way consonant with any mainstream religion or political movement actually concerned with the survival of the human race or civilization

The rot starts with selfishness, willful and open and defiant deceit and contempt for others and institutions that were enacted to limit individual "liberty" for the common good.

@MistyCee Oh .. like liberals using FBI to quell parents challenging school boards on curriculum decisions at school board meetings? Like allowing BLM to riot for months on end across the country last summer? That's in the interest of the public good? Please stop.

Face it .. the extreme wings of both parties exert too much influence and do not represent the opinions of the majority of Americans.

I find it sad the best candidates these parties can put forward for president are these clowns the last couple of elections.

@Stillwaiting without getting into minutia, I'm with you on polarization, and McCain idea that bringing out the crazies on both sides is a bad thing.

The thing is, I don't think that just condemning the extremes helps much, nor does blind both sidesisms.

The Dems put up Biden because he had a chance against Trump, while Bidigeig, Warren,
Sanders, and others didn't, but because the guy was sort of a lowest common denominator which the Democrats could live with, as well as a lot of independents and even a few Republicans.

I really think the Dems did the best they could with Biden, and for all his many faults, I'm glad they picked him.

@Stopmakingsense This is not a conservative issue. I’m very conservative and I don’t buy into any of this vaccine is killing more people than the virus.

@MistyCee You see .. that's my point. All the political party power is put forth on a guys like Biden and Trump? There isn't an ability to identify and groom better candidates?

Both sidesism at least doesn't turn a blind eye to the failings of my own party. I'm open to the idea change is needed among conservatives .. isn't that exactly what you said was needed over Trumpism, etc concerns??

All you do is point the finger across the aisle. How are you exempt from owning the issues on the Dem side and being responsible for changing them? Grow up and accept your share .. or quit fecking preaching at me.

@GJOFJ3 on the internet, disinformation spreads faster than the truth. That's why we keep hearing that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. The internet was made to work that way because disinformation is gratifying to conservatives and causes liberals to waste time explaining the truth. Sound familiar? Exceptional people pop up all the time to gratify conservatives and distract the rest.

@Stopmakingsense I'm conservative and speak out against bullshit on both sides of this. I did here .. and elsewhere against mandates, firing and refusing care for the unvaccinated. I see others doing the same.