Why do people keep claiming the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine have killed more people than Covid-19?
Besides rumors, do they have any solid evidence?
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doong · 56-60, M
@SW-User 100% cannot be reach because some comorbidities cannot takes vaccine, and those vaccines is not designed in full safety for children. Daily cases keep rising even in high vax rate country.
These current buggy vaccine is not fulfilling the promise, not to mention the crazy adverse reaction reported.
Let's see whether Novavax can really change this.
These current buggy vaccine is not fulfilling the promise, not to mention the crazy adverse reaction reported.
Let's see whether Novavax can really change this.
doong · 56-60, M
@SW-User https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/delta-variant-renders-herd-immunity-from-covid-mythical
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@doong Of course we can't reach 100% uptake. And no-one said you are fully protected. The vaccines range in effect from 92% to 65%. However, just like anything, the odds are greatly increased that you will neither die from covid, get very sick from covid, or even contract it at all if you have been vaccinated.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@doong Anaphylaxis can occur whenever any foreign substance is introduced into the body. Insect-related fluids, food, medicine... there have even been cases of semen-related anaphylaxis!
Your comment suggests that we should stop administering any vaccines whatsoever merely because the vaccine might cause a reaction that [i]from all sources[/i] affects around 1% of the population annually
Your comment suggests that we should stop administering any vaccines whatsoever merely because the vaccine might cause a reaction that [i]from all sources[/i] affects around 1% of the population annually
Stillwaiting · M
@newjaninev2 Uhm .. quite the opposite. I'm saying we accept that risk with every other vaccine .. so why should it be different for covid?? Countering the idea people are justified to not want to take the covid vaxes if ANY person is harmed.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Stillwaiting Oh, my apologies... wrong addressee (now corrected)
doong · 56-60, M
@newjaninev2 I personally think those vaccination should be targeted, just the vulnerable people, after enough checking that their body can receive it. So, death after vaccination can be truly minimized.
@SW-User [quote]The vaccines have failed to curb the pandemic because so many people refuse to take them. You need 100% uptake of a vaccine to curb the spread of any virus.[/quote]
I doubt you'll read all this Haha, but at least I feel better, getting it off my mind. lol
(Please, I'm not referring to you.) It's very unsettling and sad. I'm reading all the answers on here, and it's just awful the way people talk to each other here. There's no need to resort to all this belittling and name-calling. With all due respect, this is mho:
People have their own personal opinions on these shots and polls. Whether right or wrong, left or right wing, race, religion, party...all are only being targeted because one person disagrees with another, they can't accept that others won't agree with them, so they get defensive and resort to bullying and acting like kindergartners. It would be so refreshing, if we could all just strip that nonsense away and have a civil discussion. I'm all ears and respond best, whether I agree with a person or not, when I'm addressed civilly and respectfully, and that works both ways. I enjoy treating people, the way I like to be treated. But the petty, immature personal attacks and accusations need to go, so the issue at hand can be discussed. That's just what I observed, sitting here reading all the replies on this post, that's all.
I honestly don't feel we'll ever get the true statistics on either side.
Anti-vaxxer or not, that doesn't make a person good nor bad. [i]I'm not an antivaxer[/i]. I just oppose this particular vaccine.
I don't feel vaccines have failed to curb the pandemic, for your reason that so many people have refused to take them. I feel it's because they just plain don't work...before OR after. Statistics or not, they're just a smokescreen imo, to divert our attention from loved ones people have lost, because of the governments experimentation on people. The FDA, CDC and all the rest, are crooks, themselves. Liars. The government lies all the time. There's no end to their lies, to satisfy their need for complete control, so when the FDA boasts they've approved the shot and it's finally safe, I don't believe it for a minute.
They'll never tell us how many children have lost one or both of their parents, thanks to these shots. You won't hear that statistic. Only the statistics they can use as a scare tactic to force people into thinking these shots are safe. They are not for our "protection". They're constantly changing their minds to suit their greed and motives. While there is no shortage of water, they [u]ordered[/u] someone I know in the bottled water business, though his Warehouse was sitting FULL with trucks loaded with water to send out to the stores, to hold them until November or further notice. It troubles me more, that people believe everything the government tells them. If they really could see behind the scenes at what's really going on, and all their under handedness in the past, they'd be scared to death.
Isn't it odd, we've had pandemics in the past, worse than this one, and what's really messed up, is that so many nurses are crying out for us to please listen to them, and do not get these shots! Willfully forfeiting their jobs in an effort to save people, yet their cries are not heard. That's more troubling than anything, that people would rather bury their head in the sand and say "oh no... that's not happening, that's not true. Only a few nurses." Tell these brave, honest, loyal nurses that, who have families to feed! This world has gone utterly mad. And this has never happened in the history of this world that professional nurses and doctors around the world, yes around the world, including all the medical experts in the highly prestigious Doctors Alliance, putting their very reputations on the line!!...sending out videos... warning people DO NOT TAKE THIS SHOT!! And STILL people won't listen. ALL quickly taken down by the government, before they are seen by the public. Now that's some heavy stuff when professional doctors and nurses would go to that extent to save the public. That should tell us we're in grave danger. God bless those fighting for those who are still in the dark, misinformed, uneducated, unsuspecting victims of these vaccines. It is a shame they'll have to find out the hard way. Things like this just do not happen unless it is an extreme urgency and state of emergency. And the lies and consequences of our government and media are far deadlier, than the shots they demand we take. Every single day, our freedoms are subtly stripped away. In a movement towards the New World Order.
And how many times the below ⏬ [link at bottom] has happened, should tell us THE SHOTS DON'T WORK .... vaccinated or not! Common sense here. Perfect example below. If the shots worked for the [b]vaccinated[/b], then the VACINNATED wouldn't later CATCH the virus, and the unvaccinated wouldn't catch the virus from the vaccinated!! Yet, people will defend it with silly excuses. Unbelievable!! WHY WASN'T THE AIDS EPIDEMIC HANDLED THE SAME? WHO CARED ABOUT THOSE WHO CONTRACTED IT, AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THEN??? We didn't see this kind of madness when that took place. That wasn't important? Oh, well, let's not talk about that. Let's talk about "statistics", as if people are only numbers, because if people are only a number, it doesn't quite hurt so bad and is "less alarming". And now, the government is attacking our CHILDREN, and we're allowing it??? Their little bodies and immune systems were not MEANT to handle these shots. And if they worked, one shot would have done the trick. So first it was one shot then two then three then a maintenance shot every few months, perhaps five, what next? What next? This goes on and on and if we allow these atrocities to continue to invade us and our rights, and our privacy, all I can say is, [b][c=BF0000]God help us!!![/c][/b]
https://similarworlds.com/groups/4072632-My-daughters-fiance-got-the-virus-shot-a-few-weeks
I doubt you'll read all this Haha, but at least I feel better, getting it off my mind. lol
(Please, I'm not referring to you.) It's very unsettling and sad. I'm reading all the answers on here, and it's just awful the way people talk to each other here. There's no need to resort to all this belittling and name-calling. With all due respect, this is mho:
People have their own personal opinions on these shots and polls. Whether right or wrong, left or right wing, race, religion, party...all are only being targeted because one person disagrees with another, they can't accept that others won't agree with them, so they get defensive and resort to bullying and acting like kindergartners. It would be so refreshing, if we could all just strip that nonsense away and have a civil discussion. I'm all ears and respond best, whether I agree with a person or not, when I'm addressed civilly and respectfully, and that works both ways. I enjoy treating people, the way I like to be treated. But the petty, immature personal attacks and accusations need to go, so the issue at hand can be discussed. That's just what I observed, sitting here reading all the replies on this post, that's all.
I honestly don't feel we'll ever get the true statistics on either side.
Anti-vaxxer or not, that doesn't make a person good nor bad. [i]I'm not an antivaxer[/i]. I just oppose this particular vaccine.
I don't feel vaccines have failed to curb the pandemic, for your reason that so many people have refused to take them. I feel it's because they just plain don't work...before OR after. Statistics or not, they're just a smokescreen imo, to divert our attention from loved ones people have lost, because of the governments experimentation on people. The FDA, CDC and all the rest, are crooks, themselves. Liars. The government lies all the time. There's no end to their lies, to satisfy their need for complete control, so when the FDA boasts they've approved the shot and it's finally safe, I don't believe it for a minute.
They'll never tell us how many children have lost one or both of their parents, thanks to these shots. You won't hear that statistic. Only the statistics they can use as a scare tactic to force people into thinking these shots are safe. They are not for our "protection". They're constantly changing their minds to suit their greed and motives. While there is no shortage of water, they [u]ordered[/u] someone I know in the bottled water business, though his Warehouse was sitting FULL with trucks loaded with water to send out to the stores, to hold them until November or further notice. It troubles me more, that people believe everything the government tells them. If they really could see behind the scenes at what's really going on, and all their under handedness in the past, they'd be scared to death.
Isn't it odd, we've had pandemics in the past, worse than this one, and what's really messed up, is that so many nurses are crying out for us to please listen to them, and do not get these shots! Willfully forfeiting their jobs in an effort to save people, yet their cries are not heard. That's more troubling than anything, that people would rather bury their head in the sand and say "oh no... that's not happening, that's not true. Only a few nurses." Tell these brave, honest, loyal nurses that, who have families to feed! This world has gone utterly mad. And this has never happened in the history of this world that professional nurses and doctors around the world, yes around the world, including all the medical experts in the highly prestigious Doctors Alliance, putting their very reputations on the line!!...sending out videos... warning people DO NOT TAKE THIS SHOT!! And STILL people won't listen. ALL quickly taken down by the government, before they are seen by the public. Now that's some heavy stuff when professional doctors and nurses would go to that extent to save the public. That should tell us we're in grave danger. God bless those fighting for those who are still in the dark, misinformed, uneducated, unsuspecting victims of these vaccines. It is a shame they'll have to find out the hard way. Things like this just do not happen unless it is an extreme urgency and state of emergency. And the lies and consequences of our government and media are far deadlier, than the shots they demand we take. Every single day, our freedoms are subtly stripped away. In a movement towards the New World Order.
And how many times the below ⏬ [link at bottom] has happened, should tell us THE SHOTS DON'T WORK .... vaccinated or not! Common sense here. Perfect example below. If the shots worked for the [b]vaccinated[/b], then the VACINNATED wouldn't later CATCH the virus, and the unvaccinated wouldn't catch the virus from the vaccinated!! Yet, people will defend it with silly excuses. Unbelievable!! WHY WASN'T THE AIDS EPIDEMIC HANDLED THE SAME? WHO CARED ABOUT THOSE WHO CONTRACTED IT, AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THEN??? We didn't see this kind of madness when that took place. That wasn't important? Oh, well, let's not talk about that. Let's talk about "statistics", as if people are only numbers, because if people are only a number, it doesn't quite hurt so bad and is "less alarming". And now, the government is attacking our CHILDREN, and we're allowing it??? Their little bodies and immune systems were not MEANT to handle these shots. And if they worked, one shot would have done the trick. So first it was one shot then two then three then a maintenance shot every few months, perhaps five, what next? What next? This goes on and on and if we allow these atrocities to continue to invade us and our rights, and our privacy, all I can say is, [b][c=BF0000]God help us!!![/c][/b]
https://similarworlds.com/groups/4072632-My-daughters-fiance-got-the-virus-shot-a-few-weeks
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Here in the US the evidence of adverse effects from the vaccine are not being hid or censored. Somewhere between 6,000 and 12,000 people have died in the 3 week period following getting the vaccine. It is not proven how many of those deaths were a direct result of the vaccine
Even taking the 12,000 figure, with 184 million people getting the vaccine that is a death rate of .000065%
With 44 million cases of Covid causing 700,000 deaths, If the death rate from the vaccine was the same as the death rate from COVID we would have had
2,927,000 deaths from the vaccine. These are the facts
Yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions do not change facts
Even taking the 12,000 figure, with 184 million people getting the vaccine that is a death rate of .000065%
With 44 million cases of Covid causing 700,000 deaths, If the death rate from the vaccine was the same as the death rate from COVID we would have had
2,927,000 deaths from the vaccine. These are the facts
Yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but opinions do not change facts
@GJOFJ3 Those are the statistics the government told us. Consider those they haven't told us. They only tell us what they want us to know and believe. History proves it. It'd be different if they'd had a history of telling people the truth and really cared. Give me a vaccine or pill that is safe and tested, and I'll take it, however, this madness of forcing this on people without choice, is invasive and offensive. No other mandate for vaccines during a previous pandemic, was forced on people and they were just as bad, yet people weren't threatened to have their jobs taken away and told they couldn't go shopping or go to school, if they didn't have the vaccine. It's not right.