Why do people keep claiming the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine have killed more people than Covid-19?

@Oster1 Because a bunch of people refused to get vaccinated, leaving a significant % of the population still fully vulnerable, plus delta variant is more transmissible and more deadly that the original strain of the virus.

@Stillwaiting Misinformation.

@Oster1 Hardly.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1595

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-10/cdc-finds-unvaccinated-11-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid

Quit lying.

@Stillwaiting Perhaps research ADE.

@Oster1 [quote]There was very little difference in the death rate of 2020 and 2019.[/quote] [b]DEAD wrong![/b]

@ElwoodBlues Please, you don’t want to argue here. Need more evidence?

@Oster1 Yes, I need evidence from you. "More" evidence would imply you had supplied some to begin with.

@ElwoodBlues No, I’m not baffled by BS.

@Oster1 [quote]There was very little difference in the death rate of 2020 and 2019.[/quote] [b]WRONG!!![/b]
From:[b] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm[/b]
[quote]The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. [/quote]

Almost 16% higher death rate in 2020 vs 2019. That, as your orange hero would say, is [big][b][u]YUGE!!![/u][/b][/big]

@ElwoodBlues Oh, it’s there. Take a look yourself, not quote the propaganda.

@ElwoodBlues Look at real actuarial tables.

@Oster1 You're a lousy bluffer. Too bad you can't see it!

@Oster1 Show us an actuarial table with data from 2020 and I will.

Here are insurance death benefits for 2018, 2019, and 2020. Notice which one is 15% larger??
$77,076,010 . $76,038,700 . $87,670,442

@ElwoodBlues I don’t have too or bluff. I just laid down a full house.

@Oster1 [quote]Perhaps research ADE[/quote]

Do you mean Antibody-Dependent Enhancement?

[b]No[/b]... [i]you[/i] research ADE, and then let us know what you find. Once you have submitted your research for peer-review, [i]then[/i] we’ll discuss the technical intricacies of your findings

In the meantime, stop your lying

@newjaninev2 Please, spare me the lecture. Read.

@Oster1 No... you’ll sit there and take the lecture, because society has had enough of your self-aggrandising lies

You want to see some ADE research? I can support you with a tsunami of such research. Would you like me to offer you references? How many hundred would you like?

In the meantime, let’s get started.

For infants, ADE caused by maternally acquired SARS-CoV-2 antibodies appear to be bound to mast cells. Do you feel that such ADE considerations carry implications for convalescent plasma therapy?

@newjaninev2 I listen to the leading Medical Doctors. Once again, in all respects, please do not lecture me on your finite interpretation of any science, ok?

@Oster1 [quote]Read[/quote]

Did you read my comment yet?

What do you think?

It’s perhaps worth noting that SARS-CoV-2 antibodies bound to Fc receptors on macrophages and mast cells may represent two different mechanisms for ADE onset, but there’s sparse evidence supporting that idea

You want to stroke your own ego and preen around like you have some sort of privileged information because you’ve ‘done your research’?

OK, let’s do the research

@Oster1 To what end though?? How many cases are tied to ADE?? You are making the claim .. back it up.

@Oster1 [quote]I listen to the leading Medical Doctors. [/quote]
As early as June 2021, over 96% of US doctors were vaccinated. That's what all the "leading Medical Doctors" are doing.
[b]https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19[/b]

@ElwoodBlues That is perhaps their membership, if even true. Many Doctors choose not to join this political lobby. They are not what they once were.

@Oster1 Its not just AMA reporting that

@Stillwaiting There are many that aren’t. Some being fired now.