Why do people keep claiming the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine have killed more people than Covid-19?
Besides rumors, do they have any solid evidence?
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No one seems to have come up with this evidence, but much like the claims of massive election fraud in the 2020 election, the Clinton body bags, Pizzagate, Trump's biggest ever innauguration crowd or birtherism, having large numbers of people believing it serves political purposes, e.g. calling the Biden admin's efforts to deal with Covid Nazi-like.
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@MistyCee Firing people who choose not to be vaccinated is pretty Nazi-Like. I did get vaxed and support the vaccines .. but others have to decide for themselves. Not your place to judge that.
@Stillwaiting Nazi-like in the sense that National Socialism worked towards a national goal at the expense of individual liberty maybe.
It's surely "socialism" in that sense, and there's enough libertarian in me to be concerned about mandates being an encroachment against rights.
But, at the same time, I think one of the functions of government is to protect the common welfare against the unwise unrestricted excercise of individual rights when the excercise of those rights is harmful to others and to the "common welfare."
We can talk about the Nazi thing, and the power of the label as a political tool, but the fact is, every government since we've had governments, and even before, when you had one chief divvying up the mammoth hunt, set up rules limiting individual liberty for the common benefit of the tribe or tribes.
Biden, to his credit, resisted mandates for awhile, and while you can fault his administration for doing that, and for only recently running ads with cover victims who wish they'd gotten vaccines, I can't fault him for being a reluctant authoritarian in the face of a disease which kind of demands some sort of an authoritarian response, and a movement promoting chaos, death and disruption for selfish political ends.
I was never a Biden fan, but, like McConnell, and unlike Trump, I've always thought that he had a long term vision beyond himself seems to try to keep that in mind.
My guess is, Trump and his followers didn't really think they're endangering the human race, and that they're just a tad self interested and focused on short term personal gains, but I still think they're wrong, and that ideas like thou shalt not bear false witness, covet thy neighbors wife, and even the Hillel/Jesus golden rule simplification are things we shouldn't abandon.
Sorry about the sermon.
It's surely "socialism" in that sense, and there's enough libertarian in me to be concerned about mandates being an encroachment against rights.
But, at the same time, I think one of the functions of government is to protect the common welfare against the unwise unrestricted excercise of individual rights when the excercise of those rights is harmful to others and to the "common welfare."
We can talk about the Nazi thing, and the power of the label as a political tool, but the fact is, every government since we've had governments, and even before, when you had one chief divvying up the mammoth hunt, set up rules limiting individual liberty for the common benefit of the tribe or tribes.
Biden, to his credit, resisted mandates for awhile, and while you can fault his administration for doing that, and for only recently running ads with cover victims who wish they'd gotten vaccines, I can't fault him for being a reluctant authoritarian in the face of a disease which kind of demands some sort of an authoritarian response, and a movement promoting chaos, death and disruption for selfish political ends.
I was never a Biden fan, but, like McConnell, and unlike Trump, I've always thought that he had a long term vision beyond himself seems to try to keep that in mind.
My guess is, Trump and his followers didn't really think they're endangering the human race, and that they're just a tad self interested and focused on short term personal gains, but I still think they're wrong, and that ideas like thou shalt not bear false witness, covet thy neighbors wife, and even the Hillel/Jesus golden rule simplification are things we shouldn't abandon.
Sorry about the sermon.