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Is Biden nuts? Climate change not a partisan issue?

Does anyone anywhere think that Republicans would allow us to interfere with their corporate climate destruction project?
Or that Democrats would waste any effort in any attempt to fight them at all?

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ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 requests evidence. Here ya go sir!!

The global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 700,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.

"How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?" https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php [quote]As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.[/quote]

How is today's CO2 increase different? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide [quote]The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago.[/quote]

Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Nice talking points. That is not evidence. That is speculation. Do try again at a later date when you actually have EVIDENCE! Here is a hint. Because we do not know the rate of change in the past we can not say that what we are now experiencing is anything out of norm. You just made a fool of yourself again.

ElwoodBlues · M

Poor silly @hippyjoe1955 didn't follow the links to the evidence. Does he not understand how the internet works??

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues I know the science that you don't. There simply is not enough history to know if we have a run away or not. TBH we can't even show any dramatic temperature change. Still kinda hanging in there well within known norms. You need to find better information. You keep making a fool of yourself.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Since you know the science, how long do ice ages last?

<long pause while HJ struggles to actually look up a fact - a process very new and unfamiliar to him>

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Depends on the ice age. Some last longer than others. It would seem as though we are still recovering from the last one so there is that. It is speculated that the average ice age lasts about 10 times longer than the warm period between them so.... Do you have a point to make or is this just trivia pursuit? When I was in high school there was great alarm about us going into another ice age. There is no evidence of that either. We honestly have no idea how fast the climate can change on its own or how long a given change can last or even what drives a climate change event. We do know that things got very cold very fast at the beginning of the last ice age. We are still finding flash frozen mammoths some with food in their mouth some still standing. That is one heck of a climate change. What caused it?

justanothername · 51-55, M

@hippyjoe1955 I have the perfect vacation location for you. Mullumbimby NSW. It’s a hippy hang out and a conspiracy theorists haven. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/14/when-covid-came-to-the-anti-vax-capital-of-australia

NSW has the highest rate of Covid in Australia.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@justanothername I have a perfect location for you too. It is in northern Saskatchewan. I here it will be a tropical paradise soon. You will have to bring your suntan lotion though. The days get rather long in the summer so you will need to keep yourself from skin cancer.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@hippyjoe1955 I remember the Sahara Forest, don't you?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@sunsporter1649 Why yes yes I do. I also remember the dinosaur herds we kept on Devon Island back in the late 60s. Those little critters were a challenge. Trying to keep them from skating on the ice was very difficult. I remember one dinosaurette who taught herself how to figure skate. She could do a triple salchow. Sadly one time she did it kind of late in the season and crashed through the ice never to be seen again. Maybe with the warmer weather we can mount an expedition and find her bones!!! We will have to invite @ElwoodBlues along. I don't think he gets out much. He is too frightened of life to actually live. If the rona doesn't do him in he has a fall back with changing weather er I mean changing climate. He is so silly sometimes. I bet he went to a high priced university too. Do you suppose his parents can get a refund on his education?

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] I know the science that you don't. [/quote] Since you know the science so well, why don't you share with us how much the earth's temperature rose and fell during a typical ice age cycle and an extreme ice age cycle.

By the way, your previous answer was so vague that a disinterested observer would infer that you knew [i]nothing[/i] about the duration of an ice age. Care to try again now, after you've had time to look up the facts?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues We have no way of knowing and anyone who says we do is not worth listening to.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]We have no way of knowing[/quote] I guess you lied about knowing the science. Maybe you should follow my links to the ice core data. It's corroborated by the sea floor sediment data, so you could look there too. [b]If[/b] you knew the science as you claimed to.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues We can't even be sure what the ice cores show us. We certainly can't tell the global temperature based on ice cores. I have friends that are doing research on them. My crew helped put in some special shelving to hold the cores. As one of them whispered to me. "We aren't sure if the layers we find are years or storms. Then of course there the mush they turn into the farther we go back. If you think any of that tells us what the temperature was in Rome on the Ides of March in 62 BC ..... You just beclowned yourself again.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 University of Alberta Edmonton wrecked [i]their[/i] ice cores and turned them to mush. https://www.science.org/news/2017/04/unique-canadian-ice-core-collection-suffers-catastrophic-meltdown
But there are other folks doing ice core research who take much better care of their samples. Cute story about the researcher whispering to you - reminds me of your "top doctor" story! You may have a future in fiction!!

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Yes they had a problem. Believe it or not there are lots of ice cores available. Do try to keep up. The ice the cores came from have not disappeared. You can always cut new ones. Too Funny!!!!

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]I know the science that you don't. [/quote] As anyone who knows the science can tell you, the key ice core climate data doesn't come from the frozen H2O. So, Mr Expert, why don't you tell us what they [i]do[/i] measure?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues Joe's problem is that reality is biased against his position. Its like stephen Colbert but without the intended irony.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues There are all kinds of things they look at. Anything from trapped gasses to trapped sediments. Volcanoes and dust storms do leave traces in ice. Did you know that the CO2 levels in some of the ice cores is much higher than we experience today? Did you know that the coal beds we see all over the world were once CO2? Did you know that the earth is at a very low level of CO2 compared to our past?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Why not read his links?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Burnley123 I look for evidence not opinion. The links are opinion pieces. Paid opinion pieces. Anyone who has a science background knows that.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 He linked an article by NASA, which is a summary with links to studies you haven't read.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Burnley123 It is an opinion piece paid for by the warmists. Do try to keep up. Nasa is all over the map on this issue. One time the world is going to boil the next the world is going to freeze. If you read their opinion pieces the world is on the verge. If you look at their raw data and you can't find a change. Hmmmm.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 OK, megamind. Post me saw 'raw data'. 😂

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Yep, dust from major plinian eruptions leaves traces in ice cores all over the earth. This provides a great tool for correlating and verifying counts of years. The A.D. 79 eruption of Vesuvius is quite visible in ice cores. But volcanic dust is not what reveals temperature. Since you know the science, why not tell us what [i]does[/i] reveal temperature?

Yes, we all know CO2 levels and temperatures have risen and fallen over past millenia. But never this fast. Never this fast. And no, global warming doesn't threaten life on earth. Do you know what it [i]does[/i] threaten?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues The fact that you can date but can't tell the temperature eludes you. Too funny!!!!

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