What do you think about Kabulshit Biden's $3.5trillion AOC/Pelosi wish list spending plan?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

[quote]"Spent between 8 and 14 trillion on destroying a country most Americans can't find on a map 20 years later..."[/quote]

Lol, only a dilettante Marxist like you could get it so wrong. 😂 😂 😂

[c=009E4F]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47391821#:~:text=By%202018%20annual%20expenditure%20was%20around%20%2445bn%2C%20a,October%202001%20until%20September%202019%29%20had%20reached%20%24778bn.[/c]

The US Defense Dept claims under $1T, but of course they are understating it for political reasons. A Brown University study, which includes indirect expenditures, puts it at about $2T.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/human-and-budgetary-costs-date-us-war-afghanistan-2001-2022

Re the pending bills which together total $5T, only $400B is targeting to actual infrastructure work. @Thinkerbell

@jackjjackson

The rest should be called the Perpetual One-Party Democrat Government Act.

@Thinkerbell Those numbers are only if you strictly count the bombs and the guns. There are always costs that happen outside the battlefield that these numbers conveniently leave out like the cost of treating wounded vets.

https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar 8 is the more conservative number by Brown University.


But I guess you guys want to live in a third world country were power transformers explode, the grid can't survive that thing called winter, building and bridges collapsing around your ears.

Have worse infrastructure that Afghanistan to own the libs.

You know it. @Thinkerbell

As usual Pics and facts are in different ball parks. @Thinkerbell

@jackjjackson You and tink prove you don't understand the definition of facts and just think it is all about feelings.


No facts or evidence required.

The number I quoted are those in the actual bills the dems are pushing and the specific uses of the funds the bills would provide. As usual you’re trying to drag people down your twisted rabbit holes. That doesn’t work anymore. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@jackjjackson Not at all. You are trying to basically turn your country into a third world nation just to win a petty partisan game. Try talking to the survivors of that apartment building collapse and tell them they have to have a few more to make Biden look bad to win points for Trumpy.

Sadly no bill will fix any of those buildings. The local authorities should be inspecting the ones built at the same time in the same way and protecting those residents. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@jackjjackson And more excuses for obstructionism.

The truth regarding ancient building built in the first place Miami apartments since you brought them up. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If Twitler had proposed this same bill, these people would be calling him a great leader.

@LeopoldBloom Yep.

@jackjjackson That building collapse was just one of many examples of infrastructure falling down around your ears. That is solved with solutions and money, not excuses.

@jackjjackson Infrastructure is more than roads, dipshit. People can’t use those roads to go to work if they don’t have anyone to watch their kids.

It’s really amazing how conservatives claim to be pro life, when they hate kids so much.

@LeopoldBloom To paraphrase George Carlin "They want to save babies so they can make more dead soldiers."

No need for the nasty name calling. I’m always polite to you ladies. An effective child care credit that actually helps more more people work below certain income levels make obvious sense to all of us. I thinking capping it for couples with $125K IN AGI makes a lot of sense. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow @LeopoldBloom

@jackjjackson The thing is that is not obvious to the vast majority of right wingers. And means testing is just a good way for something to exist on paper for PR purposes but to exclude as many people as possible.

You propose the same child care credits regardless of income? @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@jackjjackson Why not? Many of the most successful countries in the world already do. Many also manage to work less hours and yet are more productive than Americans too. Americans worship the number of hours worked regardless of the productive output like it is a badge of honour to live at the office.

Oh. I see. Didn’t know that. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Lol! As usual, you got it wrong because you haven't read... precisely what you routinely accuse others of. 😂 😂 😂

I cited a study above by the very same Brown group that puts the direct and indirect costs of the Afghan war (to which you referred in your initial comment on this thread) at $2.3T.

Here is the Brown link again:
[c=009E4F]https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/human-and-budgetary-costs-date-us-war-afghanistan-2001-2022[/c]

The study you cited estimates the total costs of the [b]ENTIRE[/b] war on terror over the past 20 years (and Biden's budget for next year), not just Afghanistan, and probably includes half the budgets of not just the Defense Dept and the Veterans' Affairs Dept, but also the State Dept, CIA, FBI, Dept of Homeland Security and any other area of the US govt that could even remotely be considered as having somehow taken part in operations against terrorists anywhere in the world.

As it says in your link:

[quote]"The research team’s $8 trillion estimate accounts for all direct costs of the country’s post-9/11 wars, including Department of Defense Overseas Contingency Operations funding; State Department war expenditures and counterterror war-related costs, including war-related increases to the Pentagon’s base budget; care for veterans to date and in the future; Department of Homeland Security spending; and interest payments on borrowing for these wars. The total includes funds that the Biden administration requested in May 2021."[/quote]

But of course, Pics, you didn't read that, and even doubled their estimate to a possible $16T.

Typical. 😂 😂 😂

@Thinkerbell Again, 14 was another higher estimate but apparently you can't even copy/paste correctly.


And of course I cited the entire cost. When you speak of the cost of something do you just cherry pick the parts you like? That is not how the rest of the world operates.

Next time your bills come due try telling them you will just pay for the period you feel like.

@jackjjackson

[quote]Says Pics: "Americans worship the number of hours worked regardless of the productive output like it is a badge of honour to live at the office."[/quote]

No one would ever accuse Pics of spending too much time at the office. 😂 😂 😂