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Graylight · 51-55, F
I agree with him. The very thing he's being criticized about - the surprise that everything unfolded so quickly - is a testament to his administration's assessment that we were doing no good over there.
20 years of support. Eleven days to crumble. No one could have anticipated that, and no one did.
20 years of support. Eleven days to crumble. No one could have anticipated that, and no one did.
independentone · M
@Graylight Pulling out of Afghanistan was and is the right thing to do, but the way Biden went about it, abandoning the Afghani's who supported and helped us is so wrong on so many levels, and for Biden to show no compassion or empathy for those who are and will be slaughtered should be his real shame.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@independentone But tell me, how have they been abandoned? Safety has been negotiated to secure safe passage, planes and troops are being sent. The pullout was supposed to have been completed by May. This was a known and agreed upon plan for months if not years. Every US citizen in Afghanistan knows what they signed up for, and as much as we'd like to save every last possible victim, it simply isn't possible. 11 days from start to finish. There were contingency plans for nearly everything but that. And if no one could anticipate it, how can anyone be blamed for not resolving it immediately?
It's not like Afghanistan is Boston and one day shit just got real crazy. This has been a fluid situation from the start. And just as we're not the world's policeman, neither are we its saviors.
It's not like Afghanistan is Boston and one day shit just got real crazy. This has been a fluid situation from the start. And just as we're not the world's policeman, neither are we its saviors.
independentone · M
@Graylight It seems many in the military knew it would fall fast, and warned Biden about it, Biden chose not to listen and ignore any advice. In my opinion, Biden is every bit as arrogant and bad as Trump was. Biden has totally lost my support over not only his bad decision and lack of plan to withdraw from Afghanistan, but his complete lack of empathy for those who are dying at the hands of the Taliban.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@independentone The more aggressive estimates were that Afghanistan would fall immediately after we left, though for at least a couple of weeks it was obvious those were too optimistic.
Anyway, I’m not really sure what people expected us to do when it became obvious Taliban were simply going to waltz into Kabul. We had 2500 troops in Afghanistan as of Jan. That’s barely enough to secure the airport. Does anyone want to do a massive deployment to do what - start urban combat operations in Kabul? When Taliban used tribal diplomacy to make the ANA disappear - that was it.
Right now Taliban aren’t killing Americans and leaving our evacuation efforts in place. This is working for everyone, little reason to fuck with that.
Anyway, I’m not really sure what people expected us to do when it became obvious Taliban were simply going to waltz into Kabul. We had 2500 troops in Afghanistan as of Jan. That’s barely enough to secure the airport. Does anyone want to do a massive deployment to do what - start urban combat operations in Kabul? When Taliban used tribal diplomacy to make the ANA disappear - that was it.
Right now Taliban aren’t killing Americans and leaving our evacuation efforts in place. This is working for everyone, little reason to fuck with that.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@independentone Everyone knows everything know but offered no advice whatsoever. Matt Gaetz has been spending his time trying to keep CRT out of the military, where it doesn't exist.
The only word coming out of Washington this week is that the rapidity with which this all unfolded surprised everyone. And if there were estimates that Afghanistan and Kabul would fall this quickly, then nothing in the world we were going to do was going to help.
The only word coming out of Washington this week is that the rapidity with which this all unfolded surprised everyone. And if there were estimates that Afghanistan and Kabul would fall this quickly, then nothing in the world we were going to do was going to help.