Here's Why the Right is AFRAID to Debate the Left.
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22-25, F
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Ynotisay · M
PrincessAwesome · 22-25, F
@Ynotisay The reason it matters is because when the Left debates the Right, we see that left-wing opinions are based on facts, while right-wing opinions are based on feels. And that helps bring people to the Left. Not everyone, since many people don't care about facts or logic, but it does help reach some people.
Ynotisay · M
@PrincessAwesome Agreed. But I think the fact vs belief perspective is pretty much a given at this point and I'm not sure how much sway Sam Seder really has in changing minds.
My point is about hero-worship and how quick many are to rely on the thoughts of others to form their opinions without really considering much beyond that. Right or Left. Doesn't matter. These types of guys are, to me, nothing but a place to reinforce belief so people can be on a team. I just find it lazy and am sure there's a lack of consideration about WHY these online provocateurs are doing what they're doing.
My point is about hero-worship and how quick many are to rely on the thoughts of others to form their opinions without really considering much beyond that. Right or Left. Doesn't matter. These types of guys are, to me, nothing but a place to reinforce belief so people can be on a team. I just find it lazy and am sure there's a lack of consideration about WHY these online provocateurs are doing what they're doing.
PrincessAwesome · 22-25, F
@Ynotisay I'm sure there are some people who only watch these guys to have their own opinions reinforced. But when it comes to debate, you're forced to hear ideas that you don't agree with. And of course some people will never watch a debate for that reason, but others will, even if just to see their guy win. And sometimes people actually do change their minds when they hear how easily right-wing ideas are destroyed.
As for why they're doing what they're doing, some of them are grifters, some of them are seriously trying to make the world a better place.
As for why they're doing what they're doing, some of them are grifters, some of them are seriously trying to make the world a better place.
Ynotisay · M
@PrincessAwesome I think it see it differently than you. I actually wasted some of my life yesterday watching Seder give his take on the whole thing. It was extraordinarily childish. And maybe because I have a few years on you I can say, pretty much unequivocally, that anyone turning in to a "debate" with these two (which wouldn't really be a debate because debates have rules), is not going to have their mind changed about anything. It's not about hearing and considering alternate views. It's about winning.
And for me? Two guys with entertainment backgrounds, not political, have found a niche online that they exploit. Seder has far more experience as a "mainstream" pundit but they both got fired from "real" media. Pre-internet these guys would be have been popping off to their buddies in a bar. Do they serve a role for young people who are figuring out their political perspectives? Yeah. I guess. But there's definitely better avenues for that IMO.
And for me? Two guys with entertainment backgrounds, not political, have found a niche online that they exploit. Seder has far more experience as a "mainstream" pundit but they both got fired from "real" media. Pre-internet these guys would be have been popping off to their buddies in a bar. Do they serve a role for young people who are figuring out their political perspectives? Yeah. I guess. But there's definitely better avenues for that IMO.