Are you in favor of the post office to switch to an all electric fleet

@hippyjoe1955 wow, really trying there. But toxic? Cars are, too. Very reactionary! But we're going to do it.

@Stopmakingsense So you have never seen a lithium battery burn? Strange.

@hippyjoe1955 cars have batteries with toxic ingredients! You're doing great but cars as default won't last. You can't guns us, either. We'll have to do something to get there despite your lies.
So, you've never seen a gas powered car explode? Strange.
You're odd. And nobody ever thought that but only you. Only. Alone. Very very alone.

@hippyjoe1955 You can recycle a battery so long as it's not a wet cell. And if you're still using wet cells in the year 2021 then you're either cooking meth in your basement or you're an Italian mafioso.

@Stopmakingsense Not the same thing at all. Lithium batteries especially those with higher voltage such are used for electric vehicles are prone to fire and when they burn they burn for hours with no real good way to put them out. Most gas powered cars have lead acid batteries that are not prone to fire and are recyclable.

@hippyjoe1955 Lithium-ion batteries are the same kind used in every single rechargeable electronic you use. Are those catching fire in your daily life?

@BlueMetalChick Lithium batteries do not do well being recycled. Very special equipment and extreme danger involved in dismantling them. The standard automotive battery is lead acid and is sought after if it ever fails. Its components can be recycled at a profit.

@hippyjoe1955 Dude, you just contradicted yourself. You said it was a lithium ion battery and then you said it was a lead acid battery. It can't be both at the same time. Those are two completely different types of batteries.

@BlueMetalChick battery operated hand tools use lithium batteries. Those batteries do not last forever and when they are done they are sent to be 'recycled'. They are put in the landfill. However you are also warned about dropping them since they can start fires if bumped too hard. I know my crews use them all the time.

@hippyjoe1955 They can start fires if you puncture them, yeah. That's why they're supposed to be shielded. Remember the infamous exploding Samsung Galaxy S7 phones? They had a sharp burr or "deflection" as Samsung called it inside the shielding. That's why they would combust. Otherwise, you can throw a shielded battery against a cinder block and it's never gonna blow up.

@BlueMetalChick I said the standard automotive ICE vehicle uses lead acid batteries as do many forklifts, scissorlifts, aerial work platforms. Lithium batteries are used in electric vehicles. I hope you can understand that. Seems simple enough to me.

@hippyjoe1955 Non-electric vehicles use a lead battery. Electric vehicles use lithium ion cells.

@BlueMetalChick Did you see the bus barn fire in Hanover Germany the other day? It was started by a lithium battery. Not sure why it started but it burned a bunch of other busses and destroyed the barn. Millions of dollars of damage.

@BlueMetalChick That is what I have been saying since the beginning. However there are a lot of electric vehicles in warehouses and work sites that use lead acid batteries.

@hippyjoe1955 Oh, good job, you found one example of a Li-ion battery causing a fire. This post is about the post office, yes? Postal vehicles suffer regular fires because they're so obsolete that they're very unsafe. Which not only causes injury to the operator but also requires money to be paid in workers' comp.

@BlueMetalChick Actually there have been a lot of fires in Teslas etc that the fire departments just let burn out. Usual methods don't work. A buddy of mine if the fire chief in town and he was telling about the special training his crews are undergoing regarding lithium batteries. A long time ago I watched as an old vehicle was burning. The gasoline in the tank caught fire. The fire fighter put the fire out by putting his coat over the open filler tube. I have read reports of some electric vehicles reigniting 24 hours after it was assumed the fire was extinguished.

@hippyjoe1955 That wouldn't surprise me. As far as electric vehicles go, Tesla is fucking trash. Just like everything else Elon Musk produces.

Remember when I mentioned the necessity of shielding a battery? Tesla tried attaching a battery to the undercarriage of the vehicle with no shielding whatsoever. Road debris would get shot up into the battery by the tires and start on fire. These fucking fools overlooked something that simple.

@BlueMetalChick GM and Audi have had similar issues. It has to do with the size of the battery required. The more cells that are added the more unstable they become. The voltage increase creates a lot of heat.