Hate this bill gates guy bro

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Can't it be both? If Bill Gates keeps amassing wealth by funding medical research, lowering infant mortality and curbing out of control population growth...isn't he still kind of a saviour?

@Pikachu no.

@Pikachu Except he is directly responsible for covid vaccine shortages because so many of these programs are subject to his personal whims and ideology. He is the one who is stonewalling to preserve the IP of companies like J & J and Pfiser because profits are ultimately what matters to men like him.

@Pikachu Also the Malthusian overpopulation thing was debunked a long time ago.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

It may be more nuanced than that. It might even be good planning.
The fact is that big pharma makes medicine to make money and if they can't be sure of making that money then it becomes harder to get investors who in turn can't be guaranteed a return on what tends to be pretty substantial investment.

[quote]the Malthusian overpopulation thing was debunked [/quote]

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on that?
I can't see how overpopulation could fail to be a problem as time goes by...

@Pikachu it was debunked because we have the means to provide for many times the worlds population if you remove “profit” as a necessary component to societal growth.

@NoahB

Is it practical to think the motivation for profit can be removed?

It seems to me that, that goal is rather distant if not impossible. Surely then it makes sense to at least tackled the problem of overpopulation in the interim?

And what about available space? Does removing profit solve that?
And as more space is necessarily converted to living space, will we still have enough resources to provide for the population?

@Pikachu ha, well you’ll find your opinion to be in the good company of other exploitative billionaires like bill gates.

@NoahB

lol [i]other [/i]exploitative billionaires? Do you think i'm a billionaire?

@Pikachu no of course not. Your just an internet person. I said your opinion is likely also the opinion of exploitative billionaires

@NoahB

lol actually i am a bilionaire so joke's on you.
So, i get the intention that your comment was meant to be a critical dismissal of my question...but what actually is wrong with the opinion i expressed above?

@Pikachu lol well I doubt your a billionaire but I guess I’ll humor you. And i didn’t really dismiss it but I do I think it’s a bad opinion. Unrealistic? What’s unrealistic about creating a society that doesn’t operate for the express incentive of profit? Because it would be hard? 😂 yeah so what? Lots of things are hard. Doesn’t make them unrealistic

@NoahB

I didn't say it's a [b]bad[/b] idea. But i do think it's unrealistic and even if it is attainable i don't think it's coming soon.
I think you agree with that, actually. Let's find out:
By what approximate year do you believe we will have moved away from profit driven growth?

Also what is your answer to the idea that until time comes we should tackle the currently existing problem of over population and the resulting poverty?

@Pikachu you want an approximate year? Lmao uhhh... Hard to say. World changing events have been happening at break neck speeds lately lol. Not sure I understand your second question tho. Please rephrase it

@NoahB

So your answer is "I don't know when but it's going to happen"
Not exactly a strong case for it being a realistically attainable goal.

[quote]Not sure I understand your second question[/quote]

Since we do not currently live in a world where overpopulation is a non-issue, what's wrong with attempting to address that current problem?

This was the apparently negative opinion i share with billionaires.

@Pikachu lol sorry. I’ll be sure to add the next world changing event to your calander in Microsoft outlook once I schedule an “approximate year” 😂

My solution? Well quite frankly it’s an impossible problem to address in any humane or sufficient way. At least under the ideological framework that you want to position me to operate exclusively within. We have to discard the notion that we must operate in the world as it is currently presented to us by billionaires like bill gates.

Duh! That’s my whole point. the word would be better off without these low life billionaires! They’re the whole problem! You cut them out and we don’t HAVE to address overpopulation because we won’t keep having to fill the bottomless hunger for the profit of these billionaires. Cmon keep it man.

@NoahB

lol I wasn't really seriously expecting you to have an answer, just making the point that there is no time-frame nor plan of action to achieve this end...and so what's the harm in tackling the problems of overpopulation in a way that we can right now?

I haven't seen an answer to that yet.🤷‍♀️

@Pikachu lol alright enlighten me. What’s the billionaires approved method of population control? 😂 spell it out for me

@NoahB

Well in the context of this conversation i was thinking about the route that Gates has taken with vaccination programs. When child mortality is decreased and more of them survive, parents in these less affluent nations actually end up having fewer children overall, slowing population growth.

@Pikachu well shucks partner. When you put it like that who could disagree? although I gotta say I got my reservations a fella like bill could achieve this without some kinda Faustian bargain. I mean like I said before the fella wassss real chummy with one of the worst human traffickers in the world

@NoahB

Yeah, seems like a pretty uncontroversial idea unless one happens to be an anti-vaxxer