Veganism has the unassailable moral high ground. Change my mind.

@sunrisehawk

Same way it's immoral to steal a tube of lipstick but maybe not so much to steal a loaf of bread to feed your family.

Some people and some places just don't have the means to stop consuming animals and animal products.

@sunrisehawk Moral choices are entirely situational.

@Pikachu You don't have much of an argument when you can claim the moral high ground because your morals are always adapting to the situation. Morals are about right and wrong and there may be levels of wrong, but right is a bit more firm in my view.

Stealing is stealing and doing it for the necessity of others doesn't make it right. It is a choice and people make choices that are in their best interest and are morally wrong every day.

What you're saying in this post is nothing more than the manifestation of the opinion that you are better than others.

@sunrisehawk If you insist ethics are not situational, then if there's ever a guy coming to kill you, I'll tell him where you are when he asks. It's immoral to lie after all.

@sunrisehawk Of course they are situational. How could they not be?

@CopperCicada You do as you wish and believe as you wish. I would stand up for anyone that was in danger and do my best to protect them.

@sunrisehawk Your position is that ethics are absolute and not contextual.

I have faced the situation of a man seeking the whereabouts of his ex-girlfriend to do her harm.

I sent him in the wrong direction to protect her.

According to you that was an immoral and unethical act.

Why? Well. Ethics are absolute and not contextual. Lying is wrong. Period.

@sunrisehawk A man is attacking a woman. You stop the attack by assaulting the first man. The first man is now in danger. Do you protect him?

@CopperCicada You bring up lying to save a life as equivilent to being opposed to eating animals. I would never condemn or critize a person who lied to save a life. However, the situation you describe, has layers. It may be wrong to lie, but it is right to save a life. Don't you wish life was simple. Morals are not alway so simple, but they are clear and don't change just because the situation changes.

@sunrisehawk You just gave an example of them being situational. What's wrong with your brain, dude?

@sunrisehawk I am really just addressing the broad statement that all ethics are absolute and never situational.

Strangely you are agreeing with my scenario, while still asserting that the are never situational.

Be well.

@SW-User It’s his way of telling me to go fuck myself.

@CopperCicada I disagree that right and wrong changes based upon the situation. I've never said that there weren't hard choices in life. And just for your information, if I want to tell some to fuck themselves, I will say in a very clear way.

Unlike the popular fashion, I can disagree with others without calling names or hating them.

@sunrisehawk You are just renaming situational morals "hard choices."

@sunrisehawk


I don't believe i ever claimed to be a vegan.

I Think CopperCicada has made a clear an argument as i would of how morality is indeed situational.
It sounds like you recognize that even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

If you like let's say that eating animals if you have no choice is still immoral but it is significantly more immoral to eat animals if you do have the choice not to.