Veganism has the unassailable moral high ground. Change my mind.

@JohnRing

Stop factory farming them for a start.
Let them be raised by whomever thinks it's worthwhile to raise them.

@Pikachu that’s not a plan for millions of animals. NOt caring about them kind of puts a squash to the higher ground claim.

@JohnRing

Who said anything about not caring about them?
I'm not really sure what your objection is just here.

@Pikachu ok if there are millions of livestock animals who are suddenly useless, they will be destroyed unless there is a plan to take care of them. And even then, they would continue to be a stress on the environment and costly to care for. All of this requires a plan. The reality is that it would be an extinction level event for domesticated livestock.

@JohnRing

I agree, it requires a plan. Same way we need a plan to get off fossil fuels.
The lack of a currently implementable plan doesn't make the cause less moral.

Sure it does. Not caring to even think about the consequences is immoral @Pikachu

@JohnRing

That seems to be a non-sequitur.
How dos acknowledging that there isn't currently a plan equate to a lack of concern for consequences?

What is the morality of knowing certain species will be extinct?

@JohnRing

Well let's assume (and i don't think this is realistic) total extinction of say Jersey cows.
Is it more moral to continue to breed them, abuse them and butcher them or to allow the remaining members of the breed to live out their lives?

@Pikachu you only did so after I had to get very specific of the obvious disastrous consequences. Not caring about consequences puts a black mark on your moral high ground.

@JohnRing

...um no. The fact that i did not address the issue until the issue was raised is not a mark against the moral superiority of veganism.

@Pikachu you didn’t even understand it it to be an issue until I explained it.

@JohnRing

I freely admit that i hadn't considered it....and then i did.
So...that's a black mark for the moral superiority of veganism because?

@Pikachu the movement has never addressed this as far as I know. I’m not just picking on you. But it’s offensive to me when anyone proclaims to be more moral than anyone else.

@JohnRing

Did you look very hard?

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/uncategorized/what-would-happen-to-all-the-animals-if-everyone-went-vegan/

You can certainly be offended but that doesn't make it wrong.
I mean so far (and correct me if i'm wrong) your only challenge to the moral superiority of veganism is "what would happen to livestock" and "you hadn't thought about that before"