Veganism has the unassailable moral high ground. Change my mind.

@Doomflower

It is practically speaking very difficult. But one must try

@Pikachu you have actually made me rethink my ethics. Good job.

@Doomflower Well good on you for being open-minded👍

@Pikachu I love meat though.

@Doomflower Me too. If we didn't then it would be a non-issue.
But we do and that's why it's an ethical struggle.
Our deeply engrained biological enjoyment of a high protein food source vs the much more recently evolved ability to conceptualize suffering, empathy, right and wrong.

@Pikachu I struggle the most with ham because I feel like pigs are too intelligent to eat. Same with octopus. Like... if you can solve complex puzzles and play video games I don't wanna eat you. 😫

And other animals... even dumb sheep have feelings. And I know from my time keeping aquariums that fish are not as dumb or unfeeling as people think.

I can't justify it but I still eat animals. I don't know what to do. I could stop but I would miss chicken.

@Doomflower Well, of all meats, chicken is one of the more environmentally friendly ones. It's also nice to go a reducitarianism route if you feel overwhelmed with the idea of giving up meat entirely.

@Doomflower

Same. I feel so guilty about pork.
I understand completely. I can't justify it either. I'm a hypocrite without the courage of my convictions.

@Pikachu If you'd like, I can give you my recipes list google doc & you could try incorporating one or two into your diet. It wouldn't solve everything, but every little bit counts.

@BlueVeins

Thanks, i'm ok though. There are a bunch of vegetarian recipes i like and a few meatless meat products i like a lot. It's just i haven't been able to completely eliminate animals from my diet which makes me feel bad.

@BlueVeins thank you for your support!!!

I am not a big pork or cow eater, most of my meat is chicken or fish so I could see just avoiding ham and cow to start with. I might even get some vegetarian sausages. Those aren't too bad.

@Pikachu I was talkin' in the other comment thread about mussels and the reason why I started eating them was because I was getting meat cravings and they satisfied them. Not sayin' that's what you need, but it's not a bad hack to try if you buy the morality angle I was tryna sell. Granted, they have a bit of a... unique texture and eating too many puts one at risk for heavy metals toxicity.

@Doomflower TBH I've never liked vegetarian sausage. I ride with veggie burgers, Impossible Whoppers, and that's pretty much it. 👌 Damn, it's been a long time since I've had a veggie burger. In any case, I'm always happy to lend any support I can to someone who's trying to care for animals and the environment. 🔥

@BlueVeins I love clams and muscles. I feel like crabs and lobster are giant underwater bugs and like them too but I hate them being boiled alive.

@Doomflower Yeah, I kinda think the whole boiling alive thing is crazy 👀 and I'm pretty sure it's not all that risky to kill them humanely right before cooking them. But yeah, in my searching, I've found that mussels & clams are almost certainly not sentient and that it's therefore OK to cook them. 😌 So yeah, if you wanna help the animals, maybe incorporate more of those into your diet.

@BlueVeins

Yeah i think that's one ethical hurdle i will not have to jump because i'm just not going to eat those things lol