Veganism has the unassailable moral high ground. Change my mind.

@FreeSpirit1

And many people to this day don't feel immoral when they skin a fish a alive. That doesn't mean they aren't acing immorally.

I think you're probably right that there is no moral argument for the justification of animal suffering but i'm curious to see what people come up with.

@Pikachu An omnivore not eating meat is unnatural, we have evolved to eat many things and meat is one of them. A well rounded diet is the healthiest diet.
We have also evolved with the brain capacity to skip meat and survive, that brain capacity came from eating high protein meat. It's all a choice now, but to label our natural diet as immoral is a non starter.

@FreeSpirit1

Actually i think deploying a naturalistic fallacy is a non-starter.

The fact that we evolved eating meat and that meat may even have been a factor in the evolution of our brain in no way means that such a diet is moral.

For a bear or a coyote you'd have a point. But humans know better [i]and[/i] have the means to do something about it.

@Pikachu Humans evolving as omnivores isn't a fallacy.
Worrying about skinning and eating a fish is a function of our highly evolved brain.
Coyotes are carnivores and Bears are omnivores but could live on just berries and plants but they dont because it's easier to survive eating some meat.

@FreeSpirit1

[quote]Humans evolving as omnivores isn't a fallacy.[/quote]

No but holding up what is natural as if that has anything to do with what is moral, [i]is [/i]a fallacy.

[quote]Worrying about skinning and eating a fish is a function of our highly evolved brain.
Coyotes are carnivores and Bears are omnivores but could live on just berries and plants but they dont because it's easier to survive eating some meat.[/quote]

I agree with all of this (except i think coyotes are also omnivorous) but i don't understand the point you're making by saying it?

@Pikachu I was replying to your point about bears and coyotes

[quote]For a bear or a coyote you'd have a point.[/quote]

@FreeSpirit1

Well then we are in agreement on that at least lol

@Pikachu The reason I say labeling meat eaters as immoral is a non starte is that label could be used for anything, if a group of people say vegans are immoral for killing and eating plants how would you counter that?

@FreeSpirit1

I would have a discussion about suffering.

@Pikachu It's perceptions. If they say plants suffer when we pull them from the earth who are we to question it?
We would just shake our heads and eat our cabbage...same thing meat eaters do when they are called immoral.