How does the US protect people who lost their jobs because of COVID?

@LordShadowfire I know that landlords have protections against foreclosure under the guise, I'm assuming, that tenants will pay up in full soon. But I'm not sure if that's how it's going to play out.

@LvChris Nobody's buying, shithead. Also, my dad still has the final say on whether or not to sell.

@LvChris I don't know if that's fair. Landlord is not synonymous with Slumlord. Large management companies are a little different. What I know is that here in California one of the big reasons there's a housing shortage is because there's no real upside for the mom and pop landlord. Thin margins, not much protection and a lot of work. I'd never do it.

@LvChris Okay, why don't you come out to Oregon and say that shit? Oh, right, because you're a fucking coward.

@Ynotisay Thank you.

@LvChris If I ain't shit, let me buy you a plane ticket to Oregon so you can prove it. You started this war. Come finish it. Because I'm done telling you about my life. All you do is twist it.

@LvChris Right. I'm done with you. You're the internet tough guy, talking shit from the safety of your computer room. I'll bet you never talk like this to anybody in person. Just like you never share your opinion that rental houses and apartments are the tools of fascist pigs unless you're at home with the doors locked.

@LvChris I told you what I have done in my life to get where I am. I did the actual physical drafting work, because my dad couldn't grasp AutoCAD. I did maybe half the framing to save money. I did the sweeping after every contractor crew messed the place up. I did the sheetrock. And I have been slowly taking over more and more duties, as he loses his mind. At this point in my existence, he would be dead in a week if I left. And I'm not even complaining. I owe him that much. But when you have personally orchestrated and supervised the complete construction of a house, including organizing dozens of contractors, learning all the updated building codes, turning in all the permits, AND finding a buyer, you can tell me how easy it is.

@LvChris Nah. I'm just going to keep reiterating the same points.

[quote]One, you said you were done.[/quote]
Yeah, well, you've found my kryptonite. Lies.

[quote]Two, you said you weren't saying anything else about your life.[/quote]
See my answer to point one.

[quote]Congrats, you did some paperwork and used google. That's minimum wage work.[/quote]

Read every word:
[quote]I did the actual physical drafting work, because my dad couldn't grasp AutoCAD. I[c=800000] did maybe half the framing to save money.[/c] I did the sweeping after every contractor crew messed the place up. [c=800000]I did the sheetrock.[/c] And I have been slowly taking over more and more duties, as he loses his mind. At this point in my existence, he would be dead in a week if I left. And I'm not even complaining. I owe him that much. But when you have [c=800000]personally orchestrated and supervised the complete construction of a house, including organizing dozens of contractors, learning all the updated building codes, turning in all the permits, AND finding a buyer[/c], you can tell me how easy it is.[/quote]

@LvChris OK. But I obviously need to respond. First, I didn't see his "fucking coward" comment to you before I responded. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter. That's you and him. You can handle yourself.

Secondly, what you said about the conditions are true. And there will be some innovative methods that come out of this. But they won't be out of kindness. They'll be financially sound. That's capitalism. No choice. But it really didn't have anything to do with what I said.

I agree. The housing situation is getting worse by the day in a lot of parts of the country. I'm in California so I'm aware. And I know what's happening where I live. Which is near a resort town in the mountains.

Landlords renting out full-time are seen as heroes here. And that's because Short Term Rentals, which are ONLY viewed as investment properties, have taken over. As they have in a lot of places. And in the process, with Covid playing a role, home prices have absolutely exploded. The upshot is the people who do the work are either leaving or not coming because there's no housing options. Help Wanted signs are everywhere. So rentals serve a purpose.

The business reality of landlords is that, at least in California, tenants have the lion's share of the rights and landlords only make money, and not much at that, if they've had the property for a long time and their expenses are low. I can't imagine too many people buying a home in this market and deciding they want to rent it out. It's not good business. And yeah. The barrier to entry for home is out of reach for most. No doubt. And it's an unsustainable path. But there's a lot of reasons why that is. Biden is trying to address wealth disparity. We'll see what happens.

But if those landlords sold their homes, they'd be selling them to the people with the means to buy a home. That doesn't serve those who can't. And personally I'd much rather have the Mom and Pop landlord than the massive development and management company running the show.

@LvChris I'm not a defeatist. I'm realistic. There has to be financial viability for someone renting their property. I'd rather prop up the landlord than allow big companies and corporations to buy everything up and then demand outrageous rents because they can. And that's what they do. I'd say it's a situation where the government can step in but subsidized housing usually doesn't deliver the best environments. Wealth disparity is the main reason a housing crisis exists. But there's no magic wand short of what Biden is trying to do. Make the wealthy pay and turn that back around to 'the people.' But without incentivizing to buy properties to rent, and institute federal rent control, it's a moot point.

@LvChris I'm somehow not the slightest bit surprised that when someone starts talking sense, you call it defeatist.

@LvChris Baby steps. Buying a house is a nightmare, I agree. The ridiculous prices aside, there's property tax, which wtf is that? I own it, why are you taxing it?

But really, who hurt you so badly that you think all landlords are price gougers? What do you think is a reasonable monthly rate for a four bedroom home, with the county kicking in half?

Or are you just going to start attacking again?

@LvChris Okay, so then grocery stores shouldn't be allowed to charge for food. Gas stations should give away free gas. Where do you draw the line, oh coward who refuses to talk shit to my face?

Oh, and since you refuse to own your words:
[quote]It's time to stop thinking about magic and adopt positions to fix things instead of [c=800000]choosing who you want to bleed renters dry.[/c][/quote] (Emphasis mine.) Implying that all landlords do that.