Hey world: We got rid of Trump for you. You're most welcome =)

@Jimmy2016 There was no reason for her [b]not[/b] to win except for existing misogyny. The GOP thought a narcissistic white supremacist was a better choice than a [b]woman[/b]. Says much more about [b]them[/b] than the Democrats.

@bijouxbroussard I didn't like her Bijoux, and I don't mind her being a woman. It's not that Hillary could inspire me to think that she was going to do something for the country. She just felt like a double faced salesperson that just wants to get in power, by selling you dreams she doesn't care about.

@Jimmy2016 I think you are partialy right. But the democratic party seems to be one of those "up the high ivory tower" kinda things. Where you have a bunch of people that have more to say then others, and that are kinda out of touch with a large part of their base or what actually is going on in this huge country.

However, blaming it just on Hillary, is oversimplified. But I do think a lot of people didn't vote for her because they don't like her. And because she kinda represents this ivory tower mentality.

I honestly have the same feelings with President Biden though. If he didn't have a political opponent that utterly disgusts me, then I would probably vote for a 3th party if I was an American citizen. Same as with the Hillary election, I remember having conversations with my friend from Georgia telling her to vote not because "Hillary" but because "Trump". A part of this "we don't vote for democrats because democrats don't care about us" thing happened in 2016 because "Hillary". But considering what they got for their protest, I think they might have been better off with Hillary.

@Kwek00 But [b]why[/b] didn’t you like her ? That’s the thing. I’ve never encountered anyone who could give any concrete reasons for disliking her other than rumor, or how she [b]seemed[/b]. While Trump actually had a past as a “snake oil” salesman that they didn’t have a problem with. And I’d love to see anyone claim how Hillary would’ve done a worse job than Trump ultimately [b]did[/b]. The same people who pilloried Hillary about Benghazi turned around and stormed the Capitol, resulting in more American deaths. Even McConnell’s blaming Trump now. 😳

@bijouxbroussard In my opinion was Clinton at least an experienced politician and not such a clown and misanthropic criminal like Trump.

She would have not been perfect but at least better than Trump.

@bijouxbroussard Whether or not people liked her, she was not a natural politician like Bill, and she ran a poor campaign. Of course, what happened in 2016 doesn't matter now.

@bijouxbroussard I voted for her because she wasn’t Trump, but Hillary was just downright unlikeable. It felt like she didn’t care about the people, and she just felt entitled to win. I think she would have done miles better than trump, but undoubtably whatever candidate the republicans would have run for 2020 would most likely have won.

@Jimmy2016 Hillary was unlikable but that doesn't account for the ascension of Donald Trump.

Trump ascended because the populist movement felt that "elites" needed to be punished and Trump was going to do it.

Instead... he and "his" elites profited and the populist rabble was still left empty handed.

@bijouxbroussard Bingo!

@bijouxbroussard Why I didn't like her? Honestly Bijoux, as someone that looks at it from far away (because I'm not an American). She seemed to me as a carreer politician that just really really really wanted to get in office. I think that was her primairy goal. That's the perception I have of her. And those aren't really the politicians that I'm fond off. I expect politicians to really want to do something that I like being done. Getting into office, is just something that I as a voter will try to help out with when I find someone that I think can make a diffrence.

When it comes to a lot of the things she promoted, she would probably have found an ally in me for most of her stances. But I never had the impression that she was actually going to persue them first. She gives me more the idea of someone that want to help issues that partymembers are concerned with and then maybe, later on, when we have time, they might wiggle something out for the voter base that makes their years in office feel less hollow. If she really was that way? Who knows? But as a politician, it's her task to convince me that she is not and that she actually does something with the first term so I don't have to reevaluate my position and vote for someone else.

Obama, when I got an indiciation of the man, actually gave me the impression that I would really persue this change that he was talking about. So I would probbaly have voted for him the first time. I'm not sure if I would have voted for him the 2nd time, mainly because these things that were really important issues for me were largely only persued in his 2nd term and not with great succes either. Also, the use of executive orders, is not really something I agree with. I hope Biden does that better. But that's the diffrence between the perception I had between Obamas' first campaign, and Hillaries campaign.

@Zaphod42 That’s what I keep hearing, “unlikable” or “arrogant”, with no examples.I don’t care what anyone says, I will always believe her being a woman factored into it because she wasn’t “humble” or deferential enough. Pelosi received the same criticism, and I’ve no doubt VP Harris will as well—she’s no shrinking violet, either. It’s f*cked up that a woman still has to play weak to be liked—because if she seems weak, she won’t seem [b]competent [/b]. And as a leader [b]that’s[/b] the point. Trump got to be a misogynistic incompetent jerk and [b]that[/b] was perfectly okay ! I will never forgive my countrymen for that. 😠

@bijouxbroussard I support every single word you´ve said - especially the point about criticism women. 👍

@Kwek00 And again, based on how she “seemed”. Nothing that she’d actually done. Trump had things he’d actually said and done pre-2016, that would’ve predicted trouble to anyone paying attention.

@bijouxbroussard What difference does any of that make now?

@RedBaron It’s an indicator of what Harris will probably face going forward.

@bijouxbroussard What does Trump have to do with Hilary?
And yes, how she seems to be is pretty important as a politician. And actually acting the part that I vote for, is also pretty important if you want my vote for reelection.

@bijouxbroussard Honestly, I doubt Harris will face quite the same adversity...she is extremely personable and presents herself well.

@Zaphod42 For as far as I followed Harris, she is way more likeable and presents herself way better. But that's of course my perception of this woman, but that's pretty important if you want to get my vote.

@Zaphod42 We’ll see. She’s already being criticized for some tough stands she took as DA when she had to do more than be personable and look pretty.

@bijouxbroussard you're almost exactly mirroring my feelings

@Kwek00 [quote] she is way more likeable and presents herself way better.[/quote]
Read: “she’s younger and prettier”. 😒

@bijouxbroussard I can’t take those criticisms seriously. The same people accusing her of being too tough on crime also accuse her of being too soft on crime. They accuse her of being too black while also saying she’s not black at all. They accuse her of being too strong and then say she isn’t strong enough. Frankly I think her opponents just have no idea how or where to attack her so they’re trying it from every side hoping something will stick.

@bijouxbroussard If you want to read that, that's your thing.

When I listen to Kamala speak, I have the impression that she is way more down to earth and has some feeling with the issues she wants to make a change in. She comes over as more spontaneous and it creates a perception that I can at least have some confidence in her. That doesn't mean she ain't going to fuck over this perception I have from her when she is in office. But Hilary didn't have annything of that going for her. She just looked like someone who wants to get into office, and that's it. She doesn't give me confidence that me and my fellow citizens are going to be better off when she leaves. I have that feeling more with Harris then with Biden too. I'm also not a Biden supporter. If I voted for Biden, it would be because of my utter disgust for the alternative. Same goes for Hillary, if I voted for her, it would be because of my utter disgust for the alternative. But in those case, I'm not talking on voting for someone but against someone, and in those cases that says absolutely nothing about Hilary or Biden except that I think they are less bad then the alternative.

@Zaphod42 [quote] They accuse her of being too black while also saying she’s not black at all. They accuse her of being too strong and then say she isn’t strong enough. [/quote] Similar to the criticisms the same folks had of Obama. It will be very interesting.

@Kwek00 She “looked like...”
She “seemed like”. Thanks for making my initial point.