How do you de-radicalize people who are stupid enough to believe what Trump tells them ?
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JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Perhaps it's time for a real conversation.
There are people on the left that are every bit as gullible. There isn't anywhere in the world that has "free healthcare". Sure, there is healthcare offered by various governments, but it comes with significantly higher tax rates and it's very well rationed.
Using this as an example, there are many people that have no idea what they are talking about with they talk about "progressive reform."
Many of the people who support Trump have been disenfranchised by both Democrats and Republicans. It's wonderful how people are dismayed about immigrants that voted for Trump and behave like, "oh, those people don't know any better."
It's obnoxious.
Yes, Trump is a dispicable douchebag who flies in the face of societal norms. He's a bad person.
But, for all the "good people" who have been elected to office in the last 40 years, many of them are douchebags too, they are just more polished about it.
If people want others to be de-radicalized, the best place to start is with a good hard look in the mirror.
But, that won't happen either, because everyone is so in love with being outraged.
So, carry on. There's nothing to see here.
There are people on the left that are every bit as gullible. There isn't anywhere in the world that has "free healthcare". Sure, there is healthcare offered by various governments, but it comes with significantly higher tax rates and it's very well rationed.
Using this as an example, there are many people that have no idea what they are talking about with they talk about "progressive reform."
Many of the people who support Trump have been disenfranchised by both Democrats and Republicans. It's wonderful how people are dismayed about immigrants that voted for Trump and behave like, "oh, those people don't know any better."
It's obnoxious.
Yes, Trump is a dispicable douchebag who flies in the face of societal norms. He's a bad person.
But, for all the "good people" who have been elected to office in the last 40 years, many of them are douchebags too, they are just more polished about it.
If people want others to be de-radicalized, the best place to start is with a good hard look in the mirror.
But, that won't happen either, because everyone is so in love with being outraged.
So, carry on. There's nothing to see here.
Northwest · M
@JoeyFoxx There's always a path to reasonable positions, when people have an open mind and are willing to have a conversation based on facts.
There's no path to reasonable position, with people who wear "Camp Auschwitz" shirts, or try to set buildings on fire for the sake of setting buildings on fire and believe that change cannot occur without violence (not in the 21st Century).
There's no path to reasonable position, with people who wear "Camp Auschwitz" shirts, or try to set buildings on fire for the sake of setting buildings on fire and believe that change cannot occur without violence (not in the 21st Century).
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@Northwest Consider this: white supremacy and the suppression of non-white interests has been a thing since the founding of the country.
There are many whites, myself included, that have benefitted from this, and yet sit idly by because "it's not a problem I created."
The fact that the white supremacists are irrational doesn't change the reality that we are all part of the problem.
This isn't about reason. It's about responsibility.
There are many whites, myself included, that have benefitted from this, and yet sit idly by because "it's not a problem I created."
The fact that the white supremacists are irrational doesn't change the reality that we are all part of the problem.
This isn't about reason. It's about responsibility.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@Fukfacewillie While I agree that we shouldn't make the same mistakes, I think it's critical to realize that compromising with the Confederates was necessary for peace at the time. But when Wilson promoted segregation and invite the KKK to the White House, no one with influence chose to stand up to him.
Was it a compromise? Or an admission?
The point of this thread is effectively a finger-pointing exercise. Is it not?
Was it a compromise? Or an admission?
The point of this thread is effectively a finger-pointing exercise. Is it not?
Northwest · M
@Fukfacewillie @JoeyFoxx And I accept that. We have a long way to go, before the injustices we committed are behind us. It will be easy to tell when that happens: our neighborhoods will be integrated and our corporate rooms/schools will reflect the nature of our demographics.
Until that happens, we have not done enough.
Until that happens, we have not done enough.
Northwest · M
@JoeyFoxx
Exactly why we should NOT make the same mistakes today. Imagine how far along we would have been, had Jim Crow laws were not implemented and the North had put its foot down. It's real easy to say "in the name of national unity...". It's a cop out that future generations end up pay for.
While I agree that we shouldn't make the same mistakes, I think it's critical to realize that compromising with the Confederates was necessary for peace at the time. But when Wilson promoted segregation and invite the KKK to the White House, no one with influence chose to stand up to him.
Was it a compromise? Or an admission?
The point of this thread is effectively a finger-pointing exercise. Is it not?
Was it a compromise? Or an admission?
The point of this thread is effectively a finger-pointing exercise. Is it not?
Exactly why we should NOT make the same mistakes today. Imagine how far along we would have been, had Jim Crow laws were not implemented and the North had put its foot down. It's real easy to say "in the name of national unity...". It's a cop out that future generations end up pay for.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@Northwest I heard something on NPR this morning.... effectively that things are never as clear as they appear.
By no means am I trying to justify anything that Bunker Boy has done. But all the fucking outrage is getting nothing accomplished. Why Pelosi got reelected Speaker, I cannot understand. She and Chuck are every bit as part of the problem as O'Connell. Admittedly, he's the devil, but that doesn't change the reality that the Democrats are all over the fucking place.
The real cop-out is the assumption that this is all because of the Republicans.
It isn't.
The sooner we realize this is a problem we have all created, the sooner we start to fix it.
By no means am I trying to justify anything that Bunker Boy has done. But all the fucking outrage is getting nothing accomplished. Why Pelosi got reelected Speaker, I cannot understand. She and Chuck are every bit as part of the problem as O'Connell. Admittedly, he's the devil, but that doesn't change the reality that the Democrats are all over the fucking place.
The real cop-out is the assumption that this is all because of the Republicans.
It isn't.
The sooner we realize this is a problem we have all created, the sooner we start to fix it.
Northwest · M
@JoeyFoxx [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-w_T-t8aM]
While this is not the Republicans fault, there are inflection points in history, where there are good guys and there are bad guys. Trump co-opted the GOP, and this is one of those times, when I can personally say there's no place for Trumpism in America.
While this is not the Republicans fault, there are inflection points in history, where there are good guys and there are bad guys. Trump co-opted the GOP, and this is one of those times, when I can personally say there's no place for Trumpism in America.
YoungPoet345 · 26-30, F
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Northwest · M
@JoeyFoxx Other than the President invited them, gave them a speech and told them to invade the Capitol. Of course they don't represent all Trump's supporters, but they certainly represent the portion of Trump supporters that cannot, and should not be reasoned with. Just as I would not try to reason with anarchists intent on burning buildings down.
SammyJo · 51-55, F
@YoungPoet345 Of course the media has to jump on whatever bandwagon it wants to, stoking the fires of hysteria. That's a given. Yes there's good and bad on both sides, again, that's a given....but I think, with some, some are leaders of a party and some think that they are the party, that's the difference in this case with Mr Trump....but the party is also to blame for either 'buying into' his agenda or not having the balls to stop him running riot..
The Leader represents the party...and visa versa....the people may not have voted for the party, more the man, but that's how it is...
Hitler had a very similar way about him...he was charismatic too, don't forget...
I just hope that these individuals do wake up from his spell and society and democracy can be safe from the 20th onwards...
SJD x
The Leader represents the party...and visa versa....the people may not have voted for the party, more the man, but that's how it is...
Hitler had a very similar way about him...he was charismatic too, don't forget...
I just hope that these individuals do wake up from his spell and society and democracy can be safe from the 20th onwards...
SJD x