James Clyburn: ‘defund the police’ slogan may have hurt Democrats at polls
He's probably right - and it's a silly slogan to begin with. Police reform is not done on the cheap.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Its a strawman argument. Some on the radical left is in favour of police abolition. Most just want funds diverted into other places. You need a police force, even in an anarcho-syndicalist utopia (or social democracy or whatever.)
PS, I follow AOC on Twitter and she seems to think the Dem establishment blame her for the election. She points out that the evidence basis that the Dem left cost the party votes (more than they earned) is thin to non-existent. To me, this seems like a factional argument. Blairite wish fulfillment.
PS, I follow AOC on Twitter and she seems to think the Dem establishment blame her for the election. She points out that the evidence basis that the Dem left cost the party votes (more than they earned) is thin to non-existent. To me, this seems like a factional argument. Blairite wish fulfillment.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Agreed. I mean I am more in the abolish and replace camp personally. I don't think an institution created to enforce slavery can just be reformed just like I don't think the RCMP which was created to commit genocide can just be reformed.
AOC is mostly responding to the sour grapes of neo liberals that lost their seats and a bunch of talking heads from the party establishment who make the rounds on MSNBC.
AOC is mostly responding to the sour grapes of neo liberals that lost their seats and a bunch of talking heads from the party establishment who make the rounds on MSNBC.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You would need laws and rules even under a socialist society. Obviously, it would need to be a very different police force. Under capitalism, a pragmatic political aim would be to de-prioritise the police rather than abolish it. Spend money on social services as prevention. There is a great opportunity to make that argument.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 That is why I mentioned being in favor if abolish and replace. I am not an ancap. lol
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Blaming AOC is silly, but this sort of rhetoric tends to motivate the rightoids, while even most democrats are at best lukewarm.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul Except most of the people pointing fingers are neo liberal Dems and the MSNBC crowd at the moment. Oh and Republicans like John Kasich who was run out of his own party.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul Strategy imvolves getting the base out. Also, constant moves to the centre shift the overton window rightwards.American opiniom polls on the issues indicate a social democratic majority.
The Democrats picked the most Conservative possible candidate in every sense and still got callee socialist.
The Democrats picked the most Conservative possible candidate in every sense and still got callee socialist.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Note that a good chunk of folks that that are part of this indicated social democratic majority vote republican - precisely because they freak out at non-existent socialism boogiemen and stuff like "defund the police".
It's not even about moving to the center, it's about disarming unnecessary wedge issues.
It's not even about moving to the center, it's about disarming unnecessary wedge issues.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
most of the people pointing fingers are neo liberal Dems and the MSNBC crowd
That's basically 95% of democrats and a large chunk of independents 🤷♂️
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul And out of the Democrats they are also the most recently unemployed. So I am not sure their take is very valuable.