James Clyburn: ‘defund the police’ slogan may have hurt Democrats at polls
He's probably right - and it's a silly slogan to begin with. Police reform is not done on the cheap.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Its a strawman argument. Some on the radical left is in favour of police abolition. Most just want funds diverted into other places. You need a police force, even in an anarcho-syndicalist utopia (or social democracy or whatever.)
PS, I follow AOC on Twitter and she seems to think the Dem establishment blame her for the election. She points out that the evidence basis that the Dem left cost the party votes (more than they earned) is thin to non-existent. To me, this seems like a factional argument. Blairite wish fulfillment.
PS, I follow AOC on Twitter and she seems to think the Dem establishment blame her for the election. She points out that the evidence basis that the Dem left cost the party votes (more than they earned) is thin to non-existent. To me, this seems like a factional argument. Blairite wish fulfillment.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Note that a good chunk of folks that that are part of this indicated social democratic majority vote republican - precisely because they freak out at non-existent socialism boogiemen and stuff like "defund the police".
It's not even about moving to the center, it's about disarming unnecessary wedge issues.
It's not even about moving to the center, it's about disarming unnecessary wedge issues.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
most of the people pointing fingers are neo liberal Dems and the MSNBC crowd
That's basically 95% of democrats and a large chunk of independents 🤷♂️
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul And out of the Democrats they are also the most recently unemployed. So I am not sure their take is very valuable.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
He might be right but only because of terrible messaging and allowing the GOP to highjack the narrative. Most people are against it because the Democrats did not explain what it is about and let the GOP fill the gap with nonsense.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul This assumes there is any incentive at all to fire bad apples. And in cases like NOPD that would have literally have been the entire police department. The FBI was investigating them before the hurricane made things even more complicated.
Second. You also have to have some incentive to want to spend money on training. They have all the money in the world to do it already but choose not to. Also the problem with police living outside of their district is largely because in many American cities to police are used to pacify the peasants and extract wealth from poor areas to fund city projects for affluent neighborhoods. And to change that requires changing the function of the police and basically getting rid of the vast majority of the force for that to be effective. Reforms also make it easier to drag your feet and not actually do anything. More "drastic" measures require actual implementation of a solution. Not abolishing the slave patrols and starting from scratch is how you end up effectively reproducing the same system 200 years later.
Second. You also have to have some incentive to want to spend money on training. They have all the money in the world to do it already but choose not to. Also the problem with police living outside of their district is largely because in many American cities to police are used to pacify the peasants and extract wealth from poor areas to fund city projects for affluent neighborhoods. And to change that requires changing the function of the police and basically getting rid of the vast majority of the force for that to be effective. Reforms also make it easier to drag your feet and not actually do anything. More "drastic" measures require actual implementation of a solution. Not abolishing the slave patrols and starting from scratch is how you end up effectively reproducing the same system 200 years later.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow We don't have the same system 200 years later - things are dramatically different and no matter what you have in place, having an effective and functional police force takes funding, and lots of it.
Everything you cite are things that need reforms, and won't improve if police is defunded.
Everything you cite are things that need reforms, and won't improve if police is defunded.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul There are more black people in chains now then in 1860 and the police still exist largely to keep them in line. Window dressing is not real progress. Hell even most of the prisons are former plantations.