Conservatives automatically assume

@SumKindaMunster Since we're representing each other's viewpoint:

White person murdered by black person: OMG they're all violent criminals
Black person murdered by another black person: use as example of virtue signaling - "whatabout blackonblack violence"
Black person killed in traffic stop: jack off to video

Here's one of your guys at work. "Inspired" by Alex Jones, by the way.

@LeopoldBloom @SumKindaMunster To be honest, you both had points lol, it is right that white people do paint black people as thugs when there's a shooting but it's equally right that black on black crime is largely ignored.

I don't see why we're disagreeing when you're both right lmao 😂🤷‍♀️

@SatanBurger It's our way. I've had many discussions with hazzie and we don't see eye to eye on a lot of issues. We have some common ground on abortion and climate change but he is a true blue believer in the Democrats, he supports them unconditionally. I cannot get relate to anybody who supports either major political party like that. He likes to get nasty (jacking off to people being killed???) and I am not one to shy away from a challenge.

@LeopoldBloom You're side: Oh don't worry about the looting, here's your get out of jail free card! Make sure to vote Dem in November. Here, don't forget your antifa patch (wink wink) and we will leave a pallet of bricks in a convenient location for next time.

My side: We will investigate and address law breakers and deal with them accordingly. No matter the race or other demographics that have nothing to do with the behavior of the individual breaking the law.

@SumKindaMunster Still waiting for Breonna Taylor’s murderers to be charged.

@SatanBurger Because Black on Black crime is nothing but virtue signaling by conservatives who couldn’t careless about it. You never hear them complain about white on white crime. In reality, most people are likely to be a victim of crime perpetrated by someone of their own race since that’s who they tend to have more contact with.

@LeopoldBloom "I'll take non-sequiturs for $1000 Alex"

@LeopoldBloom Strawman argument. It's not that we don't care, we just believe in individual responsibility. It's tiresome to hear about white people, cops, Trump, et all when it's very obvious the vast majority of what ails the black underclass is of their own doing.

@SumKindaMunster If you believed in "individual responsibility," you'd apply that to everyone, not just liberals and Black people.

If systemic racism doesn't exist, when did it end? I mean the date.

@LeopoldBloom And who says I don't? You?

You don't know me, I am just a proxy for you to paste your hatred of anyone who dares to speak out against the Dem narrative.

I don't believe in systematic racism. The issue is class. If you dont have money, resources, or connections you will have a harder time getting by in America.

Race has nothing to do with it.

@SumKindaMunster Do you think systemic racism ever existed in the U.S.? Like maybe when slavery existed? If not, then there's no point in talking to you; you're demented. But if it did exist at one time, and according to you, it doesn't exist now, there must have been a date between then and now when it ended, correct?

@LeopoldBloom I'm not going to put a specific date on it, but this ended somewhere between the 70's to the 90's after the civil rights movement affected some serious change. It ended when black people, women and other minorities were allowed to participate more fully in areas of society that they had been previously denied access to. It ended when they ascended to positions of power and became part of the system that many of them now rail against as being discriminatory and racist.

@SumKindaMunster OK, a range. Thank you. I agree that we are way ahead of how things were a generation ago.

Despite the fact that we have laws against many crimes, people still commit them. Organizations, including businesses and government agencies, still occasionally violate the law. So is it possible that even though it's illegal to discriminate against people on account of race, that discrimination still goes on, perpetrated occasionally by individuals and organizations? Why would the crime of discrimination be unique in that it magically ended when other crimes did not?

@LeopoldBloom I don't believe that discrimination has ended in many instances. Of course such things continue. However, the subject was systemic racism, not discrimination.

@SumKindaMunster Every instance is an individual decision, but the discrimination stems from systemic racism. Do you think a black guy who did what Kyle Rittenhouse did would still be alive?

@LeopoldBloom Prejudice and discrimination can stem from many things. That's not proof of systemic racism.

@SumKindaMunster What do you think accounts for the observed disparities?

@LeopoldBloom Perception. Bias. Propaganda. Misdirection. Personal choices.

@SumKindaMunster So statistics are meaningless because they're not telling you what you want to hear.

Is it possible that people might make what to an outsider such as yourself appear to be unproductive or self-destructive choices, but make sense in the context that person is living in? Thomas Sowell, who is hardly a liberal, has discussed what are termed "maladaptations" to a history of oppression.

White conservatives are, for obvious reasons, invested in a paradigm where they bear no responsibility whatsoever for a system which by your own admission ended only recently, and that Black Americans are 100% responsible for any differences in outcomes.

Imagine this small-scale scenario. You're hiring for a position in your company, and you have two applicants with identical skills and backgrounds, except one is named "Brad" while the other is named "Tyrone." Or two women, one named "Jennifer" and the other named "Shaniqua." Maybe you personally will base your decision on which one is taller or better dressed or whose kids are grown, but it's an observed phenomenon that Black people with "blacker" sounding names are discriminated against. If your answer is "then parents should give their kids "whiter" names," that's not a solution.

If the above bias exists, is it conceivable that it exists elsewhere, and that the problem isn't just "Black people doing it to themselves" or "white liberals making a mountain out of a molehill."

@SumKindaMunster From "The Weekly Sift:"

Dermatology, the medical specialty devoted to treating diseases of the skin, has a problem with brown and black skin. Though progress has been made in recent years, most textbooks that serve as road maps for diagnosing skin disorders often don’t include images of skin conditions as they appear on people of color.

That’s a glaring omission that can lead to misdiagnoses and unnecessary suffering, because many key characteristics of skin disorders — like red patches and purple blotches — may appear differently on people with different complexions, experts say.

Like a lot of systemic racism, it’s not KKK-style get-those-bastards race hatred. It’s just a presumption that white is normal, and that white problems are the ones that matter. “What about people of color?” just kind of slips the minds of decision-makers.

@LeopoldBloom
No. You have some stats you want to discuss? Because the rest of your comment has nothing to do with this.

I appreciate the anecdote. It's actually a good one because I have had experience in what you are describing. You're not wrong in that when given the choice people will choose candidates they feel comfortable with and are more like them.

However, first and foremost the problem you describe is not exclusive to black people. The same thing could and does happen if the person's names were: Tran, Diego, Punjab, or Mohammed. But! And I know this from personal experience, this is illegal. And everyone who has this responsibility knows that is illegal and is conscious of this when they make their choice. They worry if the choice they make might be interpreted through suspicious eyes, and if in fact, they could be sued for making this choice.

Secondly, as I stated this is illegal. If a person believes they were unfairly discriminated against, they have legal options. And again, speaking from personal experience, this happens. Most corporations have explicit policies and training in place to ensure that any hiring decision can and might be scrutinized by lawyers looking for leverage for their clients.

And that is how you know that systemic racism no longer exists. If it did, there wouldn't be this type of concern about hiring decisions, nor would there be an avenue for a minority to sue if they felt they were discriminated against. They have options in the system to address their grievances. Therefore, systemic racism no longer exists. If anything, the system is now tilted towards minorities and giving them unfair advantages over others.

@LeopoldBloom Ok. So this one is not as effective. The quality of photographs in medical textbooks? This is a hill you want to die on?

Sorry but I think this has an easy solution. Get better and more diverse photographs showing the affliction. This is not something that requires a political movement to resolve.

So let's talk about this:


I can't help but roll my eyes at this. I feel like that's all some people do, rend their garments in frustration concerning themselves over the plight of minorities in this country. I mean, you know as well as I that multiple cities in this country have been burned and looted in the name of black oppression this year.

On that topic, why do you think that black oppression and black concerns are always, and consistently at the top of the discussion when talking about discrimination in America?

There are multitudes of races, religions, creeds, sexual orientations in this country that struggle as well. Why are their voices constantly put behind black people's concerns?

Why do we take their concerns more seriously than others? I can think of several populations in this country who need help and are constantly being ignored and overlooked.

What about opioid addicts? Homeless people? People without health care? I think all of those things are larger problems and deserve more attention than concerning our selves with Colin Kaepernick not getting a multi million dollar deal to be a NFL starting quarterback. Or Will Smith not getting an Oscar. Or Venus Williams not winning another tennis championship.

@SumKindaMunster It's an example of white people being considered "normal," leading to issues affecting POCs not being taken as seriously, with real effects on peoples' lives. I agree that we've come a long way since the days of slavery and Jim Crow. Your initial position was that systemic racism doesn't exist anymore; I gave an example of how it does. So if our goal is a color-blind society, we still have a ways to go, unless you think "meh, that's trivial, those people should STFU."

The issue with Kaepernick isn't just that he didn't get a contract that he obviously can live just fine without. He was attempting to shed light on a problem through peaceful and dignified protest, and he was vilified. Apparently, your side just didn't want to hear what he had to say.

You are absolutely correct about other groups besides Black Americans being treated poorly. Native Americans are killed by the police at even higher rates, for example, and conditions in some reservations are worse than in some developing countries. As for opioid addicts, it's fascinating how the response to crack addiction (which mainly affected Black people) was "lock 'em up and throw away the key," but the response to opioid addiction (which mainly affects white people) is "we must help these poor victims."

@LeopoldBloom
And I directly refuted that example by noting that laws exist to both deter and address such a situation. Those laws are part of the system. Therefore your position that systemic racism still exists has been neutralized as the system is setup to both deter such things and offer opportunities to address such things, should one believe it happened.


I disagree. He decided to exploit what was perceived as a problem when he didn't get the football contract he wanted. That was the point he became an activist and decided to start protesting, not before.
Apparently, he wasn't concerned about such things(or did not publically address them) until that point.

So as a black American and athlete, he was able to land a contract with one of only 32 NFL teams as their starting quarterback. For whatever reason, this did not parlay itself into a new contract. Then and only then did he decide that racism in this country is a problem. Then and only then did he decide to attach himself to a perceived social issue and use it to promote his own grievances. It's difficult to feel sympathy for someone who clearly is exploiting social ills for his own aggrandizement. So I cannot speak for others, but yes, this caused me to dismiss him as a fraud and selfish self promoter who uses racism to deflect criticism and legitimately question whether or not such an extension was deserved.


I didn't say that. If that is what you choose to perceive as a response to the crack epidemic, then so be it, but don't assume I feel the same.

This is a strange response anyway... do you believe that opioid addiction only affects white people are something? Sounds like you might have some prejudices yourself here....🤔

@SumKindaMunster You're being obtuse if you don't think crack addiction primarily affected Black people, and opioid addiction primarily affects white people. Sentencing for equal amounts of crack was notably harsher than for cocaine (which was another drug whose users tended to be white). I'm sure you can come up with "logical" reasons for this disparity having nothing to do with the perpetrators' skin color.

But I get that for a white conservative like yourself, it's comforting to listen to people like Candace Owens who reassure you that all of the issues affecting Black Americans are 100% their own fault, and that systemic racism ended with the 13th Amendment in 1865. Heck, there are people who think Black slaves lived better than poor white people, even though there's no evidence of any poor whites presenting themselves at the plantation door to be enslaved for the supposed benefits.