Without voter suppression could a Republican candidate ever hope to win the Presidency ?

@graphite We sure as hell know that without voter suppression, Republicans can't win.

@graphite Remind me how Trump's electoral fraud commission got on , and how many cases of fraud have been found in recent US history.

@RodionRomanovitch Voter fraud in modern times is virtually unheard of. The stupidest theory is that "illegal aliens" are cultivated by the Democratic party. If "millions" of illegal immigrants were voting, you'd think a lot of them would have been caught.

There's also the logistics - how do you recruit them? Once you've gotten them on board, how do you know they are voting the way you want? It's illegal to take photos in many polling places, and even if you could, what's to stop someone from photographing their ballot, then telling the poll worker they made a mistake and ask for a new one?

And if "millions" of people were recruited in this way, you'd need at least several thousand recruiters, it would have to be a gigantic operation. How much would you have to pay to keep everyone quiet, as even one person could blow the lid off the entire operation? Plus, you'd have all the people who were approached, but turned the recruiter down - how come not a single one of those people has come forward?

Not to mention, illegal immigrants use fake ID to apply for jobs; they're not going to want to risk exposure by trying to vote.

@LeopoldBloom "In the Rio Grande Valley, for example, politiquerias roam colonias, preying on the most vulnerable voters and voting their ballots for them. In Cameron County, Texas, nine politiquerias were charged with voter fraud related to mail ballots. It is most often the poor and the elderly who lose their votes to the ballot harvesters.

It’s not just one county in Texas either. When we were at the Justice Department, we were involved in a case of systemic vote-by-mail fraud in Noxubee County, Mississippi. A federal court found that mail ballot fraud was very real, part of an organized scheme to disenfranchise voters.

It worked like this. The harvesters snatched mail ballots from the mailboxes of people they knew. They would then knock on their doors, ballots in hand, offering to “help” them vote. The harvesters would then fill in the ballots for their candidates, regardless of what the intended voters had told them.

The court ruling contains tragic testimony from one victim, Susan Wood. When asked why she allowed a harvester to fill out her ballot, Ms. Wood answered that the harvester “knows folks” better than she did—a classic case of trust betrayed.

In 2011 in Troy, New York, a local political operative was convicted for submitting fraudulent absentee ballots. When asked why he targeted voters who lived in low-income housing, he said it was because they were a lot less likely to complain or notice their ballot had been stolen.

>>>Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States

Those who commit mail ballot fraud are often in positions of relative power over the voter. Victims are frequently reluctant to speak with law enforcement officers because those committing the crime—the harvesters—live among them and are often politically well-connected. It took significant Justice Department resources to crack the case in Noxubee and unearth the plot.



Vote-harvesting fraud isn’t the end of the problems with vote-by-mail. States relying on this method inevitably send piles of ballots to obsolete addresses or to registrants who have died.

That’s because voter rolls are filled with errors. California voter rolls remain tainted with thousands of deceased registrants, as well as voters who say they live at commercial addresses. In Swissvale, Pennsylvania, one man had seven simultaneous active voter registrations at the same address. Vote-by-mail would send seven ballots to this house.

Advocates of vote-by-mail don’t understand the extent of the snafus on American voter rolls. They don’t understand the hundreds of thousands duplicate registrations that exist. They don’t understand the problem of placeholder registrations—where many registrations don’t even have full addresses. And those who do understand have chosen to turn a blind eye to these and other glaring problems.

Now, add to all these problems the simple fact that vote-by-mail is entirely dependent on the postal service—the same outfit that routinely delivers you your neighbor’s mail.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell deserves enormous credit for standing strong against effort to make vote-by-mail mandatory in every state. His stance has preserved the constitutional arrangement whereby states, not the folks in D.C., get to decide how to run their own elections.

For years we have watched deep-pocketed, liberal foundations spend hundreds of millions of dollars to change election process rules. They consistently advocate the federalization of election rules, which would allow Washington bureaucrats to dictate the terms of state elections.

Elections are decentralized because decentralization promotes liberty and stability. We will rue the day when federal bureaucrats command the rules of our elections. The Founders knew better, because they understood the incremental invasiveness of tyranny."

@sunsporter1649 All of that is insignificant compared to Republican efforts at voter suppression. Partisan gerrymandering also gives them an advantage, although there are a few states like Maryland that the Democrats have managed to gerrymander in their own favor. My preference would be for all legislative district boundaries to be drawn up by nonpartisan commissions to prevent either party from gaining an unfair advantage. I'm not a fan of minority rule by either party. If you think illegal aliens voting is a problem, but don't give a shit about citizens being disenfranchised, you're not really interested in fair elections, you just want your side to win by any means, even dishonest ones.

Voting should still be handled on the local level, but a national ID card provided free of charge to all citizens would prevent the kind of voter fraud you describe.

@LeopoldBloom bullschiff

@sunsporter1649 So you're against a national ID, but want voters to present an ID to vote. Kind of a contradiction there, sport?

@LeopoldBloom You need a government issued id to venture on an airplane, eh? And not a Federal Government id, a State issued id. But apparently voting is not as important as riding on an airplane