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ramgopal · 31-35, M
Too much patriotism is surely a problem. It's seen in many countries where people blindly follow their leaders which is sad sometimes.

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@RodneyTrotter Patriotism is not racism. But a few people believe that in order to be proud of who [b]they[/b] are, they have to see [b]everyone else[/b] as garbage.
That’s where it becomes problematic. 🤔

People should certainly be able to fly the flag of their country [b]in[/b] their country.
Frank52 · 70-79, M
@RodneyTrotter I don't think muslims will be very offended by the St George's flag, especially as St George thought to originate in Palestine. Incidentally he's also a patron saint in Nuremberg and a number of other places.
BlueVeins · 22-25
There's no way I'm supporting my country in an unjust war; I would speak out, draft-dodge, vote against its proponents. I probably wouldn't physically support the [i]other[/i] country though, unless that country was a democracy and generally respected human rights.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
I would ultimately have to support the country who I believe is right, although I would have to support them in whatever way I could which did as much as possible to prevent innocent lives in my own country from being lost.

But then I feel that way when it's turned around. If my nation is at war and I think we're the right ones and the other nation are the wrong ones, I still believe that all efforts must be made to prevent killing innocent people even if they are citizens of a country who is waging an unjust war.
Graylight · 51-55, F
[quote]“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”
― Theodore Roosevelt[/quote]

I support my homeland and its defenders insofar as I desire their safety and wellbeing, but I could never tacitly follow any principle or policy that runs counter to my own ethical code. I am far from proud of this nation at the moment, but I still support the unfailing progressive, pioneering and compassionate spirit of the nation, whether or not that light is currently burning bright.

It is the right and the duty of every citizen to question their government here in the US. It is encouraged and has proven to be a significant agent of change. We [i]are[/i] this nation and its government. If not us, who will keep everything on track?
Peapod · 61-69, F
@Graylight Our founding fathers implored us to question our leaders.

Questioning and disagreeing with President Trump has some of us labeled all sorts of horrible things.
DragonFruit · 61-69, M
I would be critical of the government’s choices, let them know that I think their choice in this case is wrong and try to get them to set things right.
I would not support another country rather than my own, but I would criticize my country’s leaders and try to stop them from taking the country in the wrong direction.
This is patriotism....not just blindly following the leader, but not turning against your country either.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
You have to be critical of your country if it goes to a war you don't agree with.

However, this does not automatically mean that you are supporting the other side. That is a logical fallacy that is often held agaist critics of wars.

I'm britush and was opposed to my country's involvement with the Iraq war. People like me had to put up with constant (and mostly bad faith arguments) that we were siding with Sadam Hussain and against 'our troops'.

You shouldn't have to spell out that you were also critical of brutal murdering dictators like Sadam (or Assad or Gaddaffi) but you did and still do because of the disengenuous framing of pro war critics.

Politicians cynically utilise jingoistic nationalism in order to get people to support things which are in elite interests and cost the lives of ordinally people. Its a consistent pattern and it sadens me that so so many people are against most past wars but see this time as different.
xixgun · M
Like always, I support and love my country, but not always what its leader does.
This doesn't mean I will badmouth and demean my country. My country has nothing to do with any other country. The interactions between the leaders of other countries and the leader of my own, are always fickle and based upon the personalities involved.

My patriotism, my nationalism, my pride in my country; have nothing to do with who is in charge at the moment.

And unlike some countries, every 4 years we can make our voices heard and decide if we would like a different person in charge. Sometimes the candidate we support wins, sometimes they don't, but at no point is turning around and trashing the nation that's very laws allow you to openly trash it appropriate. Throwing a tantrum by anyone over 6 should not be tolerated.
In the US (where I live) the First Amendment of our Constitution is suppose to allow public protest if we disagree with what our government is doing, eg. participating in an unjust war. That’s what anti-war protests, such as those against Vietnam, The Gulf War and Iraq, have been about. Some people have considered those protests “unpatriotic”. My personal definition of patriotism is wanting what’s best for one’s country, so often the protesters have been [b]very[/b] patriotic.
Northwest · M
Nationalism is bad, patriotism is fine. If your country is not a democracy, condolences. If it is a democracy, fix it at the ballot box. This is what we're trying to do in the USA.

As a patriot, it is my [b][i][u]responsibility[/u][/i][/b] to critique my government's fuck ups.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Northwest word
alan20 · M
I'm against nationalism and violence. I'd have to hope that the country I live in would at least be civilised enough to make some allowance for being a conscientious objector.
Pfuzylogic · M
There is no right and wrong in most secular wars. It is a question of who is strongest.
The definition of patriotism isn’t one for just the military.
[quote] Patriotism or national pride is the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment. This attachment can be a combination of many different feelings relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects.[/quote]
ThePerfectUsername · 70-79, M
Churchill once said [b]Patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel.[/b]

Meaning to me that making a decision to back something based entirely on geographical location and without due regard to what's right and wrong in the most basic pervasive and intense form of racism there is.

It's not even as if we had a say in where we were born in the first place.
4meAndyou · F
I would realize, after careful thought, that maybe the leaders of my country knew a heck of a lot more about WHY they went to war than I did. If I were privy to classified information, and I am not, then I might be able to understand the WHY. I would understand that sometimes leaders and the military arm of the government are intertwined...and that they ALL know more than I do.

Patriotism is a love of your own country. The USA, as one example, is filled with freedoms which allow us to protest and make our disagreements with the government's decisions known. The fact that we can protest, (if a permit is obtained in advance), is one of our freedoms...and as long as we are not violent, and do not break the law, we will NEVER be thrown into a prison camp if we protest or disagree.

This is why I love my country. We are able to speak...we are able to disagree.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Tony Blair did it to UK and he should be brought to trial on lies he told to go to war with USA against Iraq
DamnFeelz · 36-40, F
Depends on what would happen to me if I spoke out. Where I love I’m permitted to vocalize my opinion/rally, even an unpopular one with no real consequences, but not everywhere has that luxury.

Every country has a degree of patriotism. It helps create harmony within a society. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Cierzo · M
It depends on the kind of war. If my country is the aggressor or one of the agressors to a country that does not deserve to be attacked, I would support the other country morally. But I would never do anything that may harm our armed forces After all, they are my people.
MasterofNone · 26-30, M
I don't care much about my nationality.
America and american never wrong

 
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