@MarkPaul Whatever u think but! I still wish u the best in 2020!!!!

@LandV $0.0.

@Shewolfiie69 🥰

@gregloa Typical isolationist drivel. I don't give a damn about the 'Murica that you trumpets and your orange overlord are trying to create. But I do care about the America that could be. I also care about the world at large, a place that you lot want to ignore.

😂🤣😅😆what a joke. 😢I guess you would prefer Biden and son. 😂🤣😅😆@room101

@gregloa carry on showing your bottomless ignorance. typical trumpette.🤦‍♂️

@Pegasus61 Yeah.....About that "Fair Trade" thing. I assume you mean fair to America and screw everyone else. America never makes a deal where they dont get more "Fairness". I'm grateful to Trump for pulling the US out of those deals and showing the world they can make deals without America. Now when you want a deal, come and make it on the worlds terms.

@whowasthatmaskedman If we were competing with the world without trade tariffs, there is no way any American manufacturer can compete with countries where the annual wage amounts to a few hundred dollars. That is why it is cheaper for companies to buy property over seas, build a factory, train workers all from scratch and still save money over keeping the jobs here. Tariffs level out the playing field a little to keep work and products here. Prior to WW1 most of the governments revenue was from tariffs, the 16th amendment was ratified by the states in 1909, before that, tariffs were it. Once the politicians got their fingers in the wallet of the people, they just never took them out. Dropping the tariffs on steel crippled the American steel industry in the 50s and 60s. Domestic steel producers could not compete with lower wages from Asia.

@Roadsterrider Every word of that is correct, just not the full story. The steel, mining and farm sectors all benefit from subsidies (compliments of the US tax payer) as well.. And those have allowed them to continue uncompetitve practices . The final straw being when America accuses other nations of cheating, while subsidizing less than America does.

@QuixoticSoul As both parties do with every administration, next you are going to tell me that this is really Obama's economy. That would be rich after he said 2% growth was the norm and we weren't going to see better numbers. Everything is a trend from unemployment to global warming, unless you don't like it and then it is just weather. he gets the credit for what happens under his watch for what happens or doesn't happen whether he deserves it or not. The commander has the ultimate responsibility. That does open a lot of questions for me though about the herd mentality of voters and the markets. In the tail end of Bushes last term, did the markets slow because of a correction or did they slow because it looked like Obama was going to run away wit the election and initiate tax increases and slow the economy? By the same token, did the economy perk up in the tail end of Obama's last term because it looked like a conservative was going to be in the White House and tax cuts were on the table? Political change seems to have some effect on the market's course.

@Roadsterrider [quote] next you are going to tell me that this is really Obama's economy[/quote]
Essentially. But Obama had relatively little influence on it as well, aside from some fairly effective crisis management at the very beginning of his presidency.

[quote] he said 2% growth was the norm and we weren't going to see better numbers[/quote]
We haven’t yet 🤷‍♂️

[quote] In the tail end of Bushes last term, did the markets slow because of a correction or did they slow because it looked like Obama was going to run away wit the election and initiate tax increases and slow the economy? [/quote]
😂😂😂😂😂😂

Dude this was only ten years ago, how did you forget about the whole global financial crisis thing?

[quote] did the economy perk up in the tail end of Obama's last term because it looked like a conservative was going to be in the White House and tax cuts were on the table? [/quote]
The economy remained pretty steady tbh. These things have been super linear over the last decade or so.

They call it the invisible hand for a reason; except times of severe trouble, the president typically has very limited impact - by design.

@QuixoticSoul I don't think Trump or any president for that matter can completely control the economy, but as far as taxes go and the sway of the congress and the senate, their actions do have some sway on the markets. When politicians are talking about taxes and regulation, the markets slow, when they talk about less taxes and less regulation, the market grows. We are something like 25% of the economy of the world, as our markets go, so goes the rest of the world. I see the downturn in 08 and no correction until 2010, I remember the Global financial crisis, I also remember Obama and Clinton talking about stopping the coal industry in it's tracks, about %15 an hour min wage, about higher taxes on big oil and GM, and big pharma, it seems to correspond, to market swings. By the time 2010 rolled around, the coal industry was still going and taxes weren't jacked up as feared, the only real legislation Obama got through was the ACA, and from my perspective it was an abortion. and it has climbed right through Trumps campaign and first term to now. The GDP is at 2.1% for the 3rd quarter of 2019, the stretch from mid 2017 to 2018 5 quarters between 2.5 and 3.5, seems to be looking better to me.

@SW-User Now that is not totally fair. If his own businesses had been allowed to print their own money the way he can now, they would never have gone broke......probably.

@whowasthatmaskedman They probably would have stayed bankrupt free for a minute.

@SW-User Wait till American tax payers get the bill from his turn at the wheel this time. Although, to be fair others did the real damage before him. Bush2 nailed the coffin shut.