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What are the justifications for vast economic inequality?

4meAndyou · F
Most economies favor people who work hard and are intelligent enough to make a lot of money in exchange for their work and for their ideas and their creativity.

People who want to sit around on their butts and cry like babies typically complain about economic inequality, and want to level the playing field so that they can live better lives without having to exert themselves.

A perfect example of "leveling" is the social justice idiocy being perpetrated in New York City by it's idiot mayor, who wants to eliminate programs for gifted children in order to make MORE funds available for below average children.

So what he will end up accomplishing is an average, of mediocrity. The gifted children will wilt like flowers without water, and the below average are probably going to remain that way.
4meAndyou · F
@SteelHands I agree. Intellectual theft is a real problem, especially with China.

BTW the comment up above not directed at you. It was directed at an abusive woman from California who felt she had to call me selfish, judgemental, and greedy for having an opinion.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou I'm solid. No problem. Thanks.
4meAndyou · F
@SteelHands Thank you for being supportive. I have a hard time understanding why total strangers who apparently disagree with me on economic issues can call me selfish and greedy and judgemental when I am stating a basic truth. I don't know the lady in question, nor do I know anything about her education, but I suppose lack of education is part of the reason why our country is so divided right now.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Look to Republican Principles and there you have it. The problem being that while this is totally in line with Darwinian theory, that introduces the concept of predator and prey. Which some Republicans may be Okay with as a principle as well. Trouble is the prey have votes, guns and families and dont see it that way. So Sharing the wealth out a little stopped them from storming the Bastille and taking off a few heads and strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs.. The truth is both sides need each other to do their part, You can see what happens when the system gets out of balance.
Cierzo · M
Economic inequality will always exist since inequality belongs in human nature. Some people are more intelligent, physically fit, courageous, wise...than others.

Economic inequality reflects those differences. In my opinion, inequality is not the problem in itself, the fact that some people's income are too low and do not allow them to live a dignified life is.

It is also because it brings inefficiency. It causes social unrest, insecurity, the country is seen as a dangerous place. In the long run, talent and investors flee it. Some wealthy people in the US and France have been aware of this and have suggested higher taxes on this basis.
Carazaa · F
@Cierzo there are many very caring governments in the world!
Cierzo · M
@Carazaa I don't see any, at least in the west. They are elites that only care for themselves.
Cierzo · M
@Tastyfrzz It makes perfect sense. It is kn our nature to look after the future of our offspring.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
I read this more like "what are the justifications for [i]tolerating[/i] vast income inequality."

Some people like to use the "rising tide lifts all boats" principle - and that would be compelling, except that a sizeable part of the economic activity is competitive, where relative gains and losses matter more than absolute ones.

An example of this would be property, and housing.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Heartlander The country needed massive federal investment and a war economy to actually get out of the Great Depression. And the explosion of the middle class was likewise facilitated by massive state spending, backed by strong unions. And the massive tax rates on the high earners helped keep incomes a touch more equitable.

The biggest barrier to these sorts of home-brew businesses are the economies of scale anyhow. Part of the reason why so many were viable was because so many normal commercial enterprises had collapsed.

And when employment, food safety, etc laws etc aren’t followed or enforced - it’s the poor that end up getting the most fucked in the end.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@QuixoticSoul

The explosion of the middle class then was basically the return of the GIs to the labor force with a "can-do" mindset that they could win a war "in-spite of" Washington's fuck-ups.

It got a secondary boot when they got pissed at Democrats for holding back the economy and put their patron Eisenhower in the whitehouse.

The strong union influence did little more than cede the US auto industry to Japan and scatter US manufacturing in general to the far points of the globe.

Government's fix for our crumbling cities has mostly resulted in sending the middle class running to the suburbs, across a county line, or otherwise out of the cities' reach.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@QuixoticSoul ... and it's questionable whether it made our food and our lives safer :)
The completely bullshit idea that it is the only system that works and there are no alternatives.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Pretty much, in fact, capitalism is working exactly as planned, it requires inequality.
@basilfawlty89 Yep. The biggest lie is denying it is a feature not a bug.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89 It requires [i]some[/i] inequality.
curiosi · 61-69, F
There is a cure, it's called getting up off your ass.
@IstillmissEP You come off and the most entitled person here. My guess platinum plated spoon and trust fund baby.
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@IstillmissEP Actually statistically fortune favors the wealthy and well connected and very little else. And government action in the US in particular only benefits the rich and powerful. This is also backed by statistics and facts not capitalist fairy tales and legends.
Northwest · M
There's no justification, but there are consequences.. Namely things like:

The French Revolution
Communism
North Korea
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
Hmmmm?

The people who ask this are often the same people who cause it.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Many reasons. Like anything living, all are not born simultaneously. All are not located in good ground, in identical weather, or make identical decisions, tested by the same challenges, focus vigorously on identical things, or focus on things helpful to economic success, or can even comprehend these differences.
Carazaa · F
There is NO vast economic inequality in Scandinavia, because those countries value people more than wealth and the politicians care about people more than themselves, there is no corruption, and they don't listen to special interest, lobbying, or can be bought with money.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@Carazaa Micro economies present small problems. Golliathan one's create gargantuan ones.

Tell your professor I'll debate that if you want.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
I think in control theory it would be close to a bang-bang controller. It's not very efficient and it can go out of control with expensive consequences.
Jakey75 · 61-69, M
The rich contribute more to the economy and take more risks.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@Jakey75 not really. They typically are horders. They just pinch Penny's.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@Jakey75 not true.. it's those who work who contribute most and without them there would be nothing. As for danger, think of all those coal miners, those who were poisoned, died while making bridges, and those who worked themselves to death.. most rich people didn't do any of that"
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Well paid goon squads to take care of people who question it...?
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
You have money I need money so I must take it Duh
eli1601 · 70-79, M
We need justifications?
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