did a bunch of enviromental global warming idiots cause the last ice age

@BlueMetalChick Satire is the highest form of insult.

@IronHamster So, you're saying this person was satirizing climate change denialism, and in effect, insulting it? Because yeah, I'd agree with that.

@BlueMetalChick I think it's poking fun at the idea nobody takes seriously. Look at the climate change conference they just had. There were so many privately owned jumbo jets flown to it that the airport literally ran out of room and had to send other attendees planes elsewhere. Each attendee burned more fuel visiting the conference than I burn in ten years.

@IronHamster So, what you're doing here is something that I unfortunately find myself struggling with on a regular basis. It's a phenomenon that I call the Oleg Antonov effect. It happens when an idea that is completely legitimate and real is embraced, communicated, or represented by a person or group that has no idea what the fuck they're doing.

Take for example the James Webb space telescope, which is supposed to launch before the end of the year. The technology used to create the telescope is impressive and its engineering is well designed, but the people who were put in charge of the project were incompetent knuckleheads, and their negligence has led to the Webb being delayed for almost thirty years. It's made the entire telescope look like a big fucking joke.

The same has happened with climate science. It is a very real thing, and the actual science behind it is correct and well researched. But because we, as humans, suck, we've picked very sucky people to be in charge of policy and approach and solutions to climate problems. And because of their exponential suck factor, they've made climate science, as a whole, look like it sucks. The suckage of the people tasked with communicating a concept have made the concept itself appear as if it also sucks.

@BlueMetalChick OK. So, the practical question is, what are you going to do about it.

Trump was all for bringing back American industry. Biden wants China to win the trade war, and China is STILL commissioning a new coal fired plant every week. We could go 100% carbon neutral and China will still spew CO2 into the atmosphere in quantities that make our efforts pointless.

This goes for all sorts of pollution, like the chemicals used for our semiconductors and plastics. What are we going to do about the real problem makers?

@IronHamster Well, y'know, bringing back industry is kind of a choppy deal. On the one hand, it creates a lot of jobs and it saves the country from having to import shit from overseas, but on the other hand, industry is dirty, and it does a lot of damage to the communities that it inhabits. I would suppose that the best option would be first investing in clean industry, and then bringing it back. Plus, you make a shitload of money when you network that stuff. China did it, actually. They invested nine hundred billion dollars in clean manufacturing, networked it with neighboring countries, and had already made back twice the money they put into it within three years.

Of course...then they decided to just not use half the clean industry that they invested in...which was exceptionally fucking shitty of them to do.

@BlueMetalChick Stop right there at dirty industry. Those products will be built, here or in China, but China doesn't have environmental regulations like we do. Do they?

This is the same logic of NIMBYism that keeps green energy production far far away from wealthy people.

@IronHamster They're supposed to have them but they just kinda ignore them, which pisses me off.

Nimby? Explain this to me. I'm unfamiliar with this term.

@BlueMetalChick is your Google broken?

@IronHamster I would prefer not to resort to using Google because it might give me a definition that is different than what you're using. I mean, you've already proven to us all that you use a completely different version of the English language.

@BlueMetalChick It's not my fault you see power seekers, users, and abusers as good guys. When you need counseling for your bad life decisions, let me know.

@IronHamster [quote]It's not my fault you see power seekers, users, and abusers as good guys.[/quote]
You're trying to change the subject again. We're having a conversation about the veracity of clean industry. Don't go full non sequitur on me and start saying weird random shit like I see power seekers as good guys.

[quote]When you need counseling for your bad life decisions, let me know.[/quote]
And that's game set match. When you run away from the argument, and you just start insulting me personally, that's an automatic L.

But I'll humor you. What "bad life decisions" have I made that I "need counseling" for? Because I'd say my life decisions have been pretty damn good considering I was born into poverty and famine, but I'm now living in a developed nation working a moderately high paying job that I love and living in relative comfort.