What the hell are they thinking in California?

@CountScrofula That's why bills go to the floor, get discussed, are refined and eventually passed. This was an unintended consequence that will be addressed.

@Graylight Agree. A lot of companies try to get around providing benefits, by forcing a percentage of the workforce, to be contractors.

It had been floating for a whole year Now. So debate is over it's been passed. And this is going to hurt people who stay at home and write .you don't always need insurance through your employer you can get private but With the 35 cap on work they are allowed that work can be done in under two weeks.@Northwest @Graylight

@Master5dad [quote]The B test requires that a freelancer "performs work that is outside the usual course of the hiring entity's business.[/quote]

The news media, represents a challenge, but I think they can arrive at a compromise, for freelance writers, before the bill goes into effect.

@CountScrofula

I would imagine this will get tied up in the Courts.

A little thing in the Constitution called "freedom of the press."

@Graylight @beckyromero Well it did become law and has two months to take effect. But you're right that this is going to end up in court or will be amended or even just unenforced.

I'm a union executive, I ABSOLUTELY support this kind of legislation. But this was dumb and needs to get fixed.

@CountScrofula [quote]I'm a union executive[/quote]

The original author of the legislation, is a union organizer. I don't think there's a "perfect" legislation, that would account for everything, and clearly freelance writing is an edge case, that the legislation should create some clarifications for.

@Northwest Sure. I mean I think we agree here. What I mean is the -spirit- of the legislation is fine. Anything to reduce precarious labour. But this law doesn't work.

Freelance writers have the right to refuse work but I see this as a first amendment issue aswell.@CountScrofula

@Master5dad it's not a First Amendment issue at all, really. These Freelancers are still free and protected in saying or writing anything they like within constitutional limits. What they don't have - and what they've never had - is a guarantee of payment for it.

The government cannot limit an individual on the amount of work/ labor they can do or the keep them from providing services people are willing to pay for. They are trying to get these companies to hire journalists and writers full time but you can't force the market like that the news organizations are going through a change and writing laws to keep things the same is wrong. The people who work there aren't guaranteed a job not the freelancers they know that or else the wouldn't be freelance but what's happening is they are limiting the freelance market to the point where it is won't be worth it and possibly won't exist. That is morally wrong.@Graylight

@Master5dad [quote]The government cannot limit an individual on the amount of work/ labor they can do or the keep them from providing services people are willing to pay for[/quote]

Not a 1st Amendment issue. Not an individual issue. It's about regulating business. If it's a bad law for one group, then California needs to fix it for that group.

@Master5dad It may well be, but it's not a 1st Amendment issue.

Freedom of the press controlling who writes for the press and how much they can falls under that category @Graylight

@Master5dad [quote]Freedom of the press controlling who writes for the press and how much they can falls under that category[/quote]

This has nothing to do with the 1st amendment.

You can't silence anyone's voice I don't care what back channels you use it has everything to do with the first amendment. @Northwest

@Master5dad Who's voice is "silenced?" Writers are still free to put their words on paper and shout them from the rooftops.

@Graylight 🤷‍♂️

Well
I'm sorry you are so willing to let the government chip away at our rights and compromise and let them limit what we can do. I personally don't like being in an authoritarian nanny state but hey some people can't live life without being told what to do.@Northwest

@Master5dad [quote]but hey some people can't live life without being told what to do[/quote]

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@Master5dad Making this a freeze peach issue is truly bizarre dude.

@Master5dad I am surprised he has not deleted any of your replies - I blocked this asshole a long time ago.

I don't block anyone unless they threaten someone I Ike open discourse me blocking him won't solve anything and I honestly like to know what other people's thoughts are.@MarmeeMarch

@Master5dad [quote]Well
I'm sorry you are so willing to let the government chip away at our rights and compromise and let them limit what we can do.[/quote]

Conclusion not supported by facts. If you really want to discuss something, then you can't invent position on my behalf. Saying that this is NOT a free speech issue, but rather a labor issue, is not the same as saying that I support an authoritarian regime.

I am not even saying that I believe this legislation, covers all combinations, it would be impossible to create a legislation, that covers all cases.

Freelance writers, seem to be negatively affected, NOT because someone is saying they can't write (which would be violation of their 1st amendment rights). They have a product, in this case a paragraph, or a story. They would like to get paid for that product. The legislation says they should not be taken advantage of, by allowing media companies, to treat them as disposable entities. They think that the law, by trying to protect them, is actually hurting.

That is NOT a 1st amendment issue.

@Master5dad [quote].@MarmeeMarch[/quote]

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