UK Parliment

@joesecret What annoys me is the remainiacs complain because 'leave with no deal' was not on the ballot paper. That's because it was a straight in/out referendum. The terms of leaving is up to the politicians to negotiate not the electorate.

Also what the remainiacs also don't realise is that whilst 'leave with no deal' was not on the ballot paper neither was 'a second referendum if we vote leave'

@joesecret Breit should always be debated or you stop demorcay and Parliment being sovernty!!

@SW-User What annoys me is people like you want people to agree with you but you use words like remainice and that show you have no respect or content for them!!

it wasn't on the ballot paper but Gove said ' the eaiset deal in history' and another said I'm not sure who ' we will ahve all the benifets outside as we do now" and that is what will be rememembered and not what was on the ballot paper!!

@milkymum1 Farage made the "all the benefits" comment on an interview on the referendum campaign where he claimed we'd get a deal better than Norway... Inside efta was therefore implied.
Gove also said day after referendum it was madness to consider the UK outside the Efta area. Yet here we are with a contracting economy (see latest ONS) release and about to leave the single market.

That's why parliament must continue to debate it parliament is sovereign (as proved in the Miller case) and must agree to the way forward.

It's hard because this is actually a very very hard and you cannot overstate how important a decision to be made.

Having said all that I actually favour a no deal exit now. It'll finally show all the issues we have to fix. We will then have no option but to fix them. It will be a painful few years but up to the country to make it work.

@SW-User oh yes he did didn't he and he also said on the refurendum night as leave was losing that he'd still carry on fighting to leave!!!

Gove said' its the easist deal in Hostory" didn' he ? I know someone did and another said " we will have all the benifets outside as we do now"

to me if everyone who voted to leave and as they were told " bring control back" then they shouldn't have any problems with it being debated in Parliment

If it wasn't for Miller MAy would have got away from PArliment debating it!!

The problem i have with that is the sick will suffer the most and that mustn't be allowed to happen!!

@milkymum1 for me, sadly, I think a no deal departure is what we need as a country to realise what we should actually be focused on.

@milkymum1 It's people like Jo Swinson I have no respect for .. the leader of a party that has Democrat in their name but wants to revoke article 50 and ignore a decision that was made 'democratically'

It's not just her either. It's that no mark Gina Miller who is only interested in raising her own profile and that of her 'un-named' business

The referendum delivered a leave verdict with a majority of over a million people but the remoaners insist 17.4 million people didn't know what they were voting for. That is an insult.

I was too young to vote but when there is any form of election it's those with the highest number that win .. that's how a first past the post system works

And for the record I don't expect people to agree with me. Brexit has split the country but the referendum was a democratic decision and the people voted to leave. If we don't leave the democracy as we know it is dead on our little rock in the North Atlantic

@SW-User the democracy argument is a very strong one. And why, against my logical feelings, we need a no deal exit.
Get it done then fix it. Currently it's all just what ifs.

@SW-User Thankyou. That's my real bug bear .. the fact that Swinson and Corbyn (despite his and his party's current position) want to overturn the will of the people and remain. On the day that happens democracy is dead and we become a dictatorship and our freedom to control our own destiny will be gone. Forever.

@SW-User funny Corbyn personally is a leaver. Just look at 30 years of his voting history he frequently rebelled against Labour to vote against EU favouring legislation. However his party is largely remain.

Swinson is clever. The promise is to revoke article 50 if there is a majority Lib Dem government. She knows full well that'll never happen. But she hopes to win additional seats in the coming election in remain constituencies esp London.

She'll then look to be in a coalition as likely hung parliament again. At that point she'll renage on that promise.... Carefully worded... See not a majority Lib Dem government. Its a play so she has a shot of being in the next cabinet. Personal ambition nothing less.

@SW-User So she is doing a Nick Clegg then .. selling out the country to feather her own cap

Bitch ass would sell her own grandmother if it benefited her

@SW-User she is a politician. Boris doesn't believe in no deal or even leaving. Hell his dad worked at the EU commission to pay for his education and he made his name (largely for lying in his reports) as a journalist in Brussels. He just saw leave as a way to build his image etc further to get what he wanted... PM after his name.

When you grow old like me you'll be as cynical as I am about it all. They are all just there for their own ego... If they were bright enough and able to work hard they'd all be in industry earning 10 to 100 times more.

@SW-User I've never disrespected your opinions or beliefs Nuno. We've had many interesting and thought provoking discussions about politics in this country and about Brexit. I've always taken on board your side of the debate/discussion and we've always discussed it in an amicable and adult manner. And I thankyou for that.

@SW-User personally I think leaving however we do is an economic and cultural disaster.
I believe its been too long a distraction from what we should really worry about. Internal extremism, loss of community and cohesion, the continued widening wealth gap and the continued rise of big business without enough regulation.

But hey I'm just a faded old libtard in the modern vernacular.

@SW-User For too long politicians have ignored the biggest issue among the electorate. Immigration. Now please don't get me wrong I am in no way racist , one of my best friends is mixed race.

But that's what a lot of people consider when voting. It's what I considered in the 2017 general election and the 2019 European elections.

For too long the mainstream parties had only 3 priorities

1. The economy
2. Health
3. Education

But Joe Public had a different priority. Immigration. It's why UKIP did so well in the 2014 European elections and the 2015 general election and why the Brexit party did so well back in Spring this year

Immigration is the one subject the big 3 parties don't want to talk about but is the big issue the voters DO want to talk about

@SW-User yes they'll do nothing about it. Look at the figures the 100,000 target was laughable. Why? Because for the economy to grow it needs new blood it's good economically for immigration. They said 100,000 but more than that come from non EU countries where we can control and where its difficult to move from. I've regularly recruited from middle East, India, Pakistan, China, USA, etc over the years. It costs a lot to get people in from there but despite the process never had one refused. Which was good for my employers, actually most non EU recruitment I ever did was in UK public sector you can't pay enough for UK staff or EU staff but Indians will leave their families for that chance. There are deep rooted issues in pay and reward, in what and who we train in this country etc.

However the big problem is that immigration is blamed, I believe, for things it's not responsible for. The NHS is stretched because of funding issues and an aging indigenous population not immigrants. Schools are over crowded because we don't build enough or pay teachers anything like a reasonable salary.
GP surgeries are largely staffed with immigrant doctors replacing (too slowly) those retiring early due to the dumb life time pension allowance rules.

I could go on.... But again my left wing liberal leanings show again 🤫

@SW-User Nothing wrong with being left or right wing. Socialist or Conservative. I just want to see a democratic vote upheld

@SW-User I think it's the liberal bit (note small l) that is what people seem to hate these days that I think of others before myself and want to share the values and wealth I'm lucky to have just through the luck of being born in UK in this age. Seems to me it's all about wanting to deny others what people have got largely through luck at the moment. Through that belief I feel massively out of step with the vast majority who shout from the hustings these days whether they claim to be left or right they all want to stop "them" from getting what "us" have. 🤷‍♂️ Sorry Dad, Granddad I don't know where my generation screwed up so badly.