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How can the Greens win more hearts and minds of the people?

People tend to reject anything shoved down their throats, but what else is deserved of the masses right now, but a proper bitch slap?

Catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar, they say. But the sugar is all gone and we're downing in vinegar now.

I guess what I am saying is that it's hell of disturbing that action to turn the crisis around is even seen as a "choice", instead of the only course of action we have, to survive.

We are all doomed, you realize?
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
By stop trying to ban autos, planes and cows.
BlueVeins · 26-30
@beckyromero They actually have started doing exactly what you're saying. It's just kind of a slow process because

A: trucks last a pretty long time

B: the factories that build gas-powered trucks last a pretty long time, and

C: companies don't bear the full costs of the greenhouse emissions they produce.

All that electricity being produced! Hmmmm. When was the last power plant built to go online in the United States? I think Bush was president at the time. And I don't mean "W".

First of all, you could literally take the fuel you would've otherwise pumped into your car, feed it into a generator, use that generator to charge your battery, and still have a dickload of gas left over for next time. Not that you should do that or anything, because that would be completely fucking stupid as opposed to other sources. Second of all, electricity production has been declining due to decreased demand, which is itself caused by more efficient electronics and machinery and shit. If you want more electricity, you'll get more electrity. It's not like we're running a shortage or anything. ☀️
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins About 80% of the power produced in the US comes from fossil fuel. It would take decades to replace those plants with nuclear plants. Renewable power would be good if the technology was there. I drive all over the country and the amount of land that has been clear cut, forests destroyed to put up turbines is staggering to me. Getting out of the mountains and into flat land out further west, driving along and seeing acres and acres clear cut to place solar panels, these monstrosities have been placed all over the place and don't produce the power of 1 coal or gas fired plant. Not to mention they are made of tons of plastic that comes from the petro chemical industry. I am all for renewables if there was a way to do it logically. Right now, there isn't. If the use of electricity is declining, why do we see brown out or black outs in metropolitan areas? Solar panels average cost per watt is $3.00, the average house is around 1000 to 1400 watts, that means you have somewhere between $30K and $42K invested in solar panels then you have to install them, purchase and install wiring, switching panels, batteries, etc., let's add $60K to already high housing prices while there are homeless people on the streets and 30 year olds living in their parents basements because they can't afford a house.
BlueVeins · 26-30
@Roadsterrider
About 80% of the power produced in the US comes from fossil fuel.
First of all, over 99% of combustion engines run off of fossil fuel in the US, and they do it less efficiently.

Renewable power would be good if the technology was there.

Solar power currently costs less than coal and natural gas, which were priced at $50, $102, and $60 respectively per megawatthour in 2017. That's according to Business insider. The only one that really undercuts it is wind power, at $45/megawatt hour. But I'll agree, wind turbines have their own issues from speedy degredation to danger to wildlife.

https://www.businessinsider.com/solar-power-cost-decrease-2018-5/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/06/04/climate-change-coal-now-more-expensive-than-wind-solar-energy/1277637001/

I'm sure you've done your math on the subject, but renewable tech is advancing very quickly and you may want to refresh yourself on the issue.
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Neither are most Canadians including the author of this post. lol
SW-User
@hippyjoe1955 lol oh no
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
What crisis are you fretting over?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
And Betty Beaver is the wrong leader with the wrong message and you believe the wrong information. kind of a trifecta of wrongness don't you think?
BlueVeins · 26-30
caesar7 · 61-69, M
True. I think the cause it getting more and more popular but it's the third world countries that I am worried about.

 
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