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So what’s the real reason Republicans say we’re not a democracy, we’re a republic?

My view is they’re not mutually exclusive, we’re both. Probably looking for replies from progressives here, because it seems like I’ve heard or read lots of very different Republican explanations and I can’t remember any of them, it just seems like they were all pedantic bullshit. There must be some underlying issue that’s important to them. My guess is roughly that “democracy” carries the connotation that everyone gets to vote, whereas in a republic maybe it could be considered acceptable to disenfranchise certain people deemed illegitimate (such as minorities and poor because they didn’t show an ID), but I don’t feel very confident in that hypothesis.
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Modern politics and labels aside, a Republic is basically a representative democracy as opposed to a pure democracy where every citizen voted on every little thing.

Our founders had a real fear of democracies, and "mob rule" and that, along with the Hamiltonian/New England v. Jeffersonian/Virginian, stuff all played into a lot of discussions including the "compromise" where the less populous south got to count non voting slaves as 3/5 of a person.

My guess is this point came up talking about the popular vote and the electoral college, which was a choice to elect leaders by representatives rather than "democratically", I.e., by popular vote.

There are more registered democrats in fewer but bigger states than there are Republicans in smaller states, so you might hear democrats calling for a popular vote with Republicans saying that the founders never intended a democracy, but a Republic.

Republicans are not wrong on this one, IMO, but we've been arguing about how "United" the States should be since before the Constitution was enacted, and how voting should work, and we've tweaked it before, both by Amendment and by practice.

I have never heard a mainstream Republican actually talking about disenfranchisement in a Republic, but by picking electors by state as well as by population, and then letting the States decide how theyre going to pick their electors and cast their votes,we are making some individual votes "count more" than other votes and that is less "democratic."


Hope that helps. These days, it's really hard to figure out what people are talking about, and a lot of the time, they're repeating words, phrases and arguments they've heard on cable TV without even understanding what they're saying, being able to apply it in any given context.

Neither Hannity nor Maddow is a good substitute for a civics class, IMO.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@MistyCee In other words, most people are too stupid to learn for themselves and would rather repeat bullshit lies from those that hate the system when their people don't occupy the oval office.
@NativeOregonian Yup, but there are stupid people "on both sides" and that makes it worse for all of us, no matter what side we're on.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@MistyCee Exactly, which is why I despise our political duopoly here in the states.
@NativeOregonian I'd blame tv, the internet and defunding civics classes more than the two party system, tbh.

Countries with more parties and coalition governments are having similar issues. Plus, modern democracies (or democratic republics) and technology haven't been around that long to evolve into one stable form yet.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@MistyCee Both sides defunded civics classes, repubs, because they think education is a waste of time, dems, because only their agenda matters.
@NativeOregonian I don't really care who started the civil war either. I'm ready to reconstruct now.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@MistyCee I agree, it's time for the childish bullshit to stop, a main reason why I vote third party, I'm tired of it all.
@NativeOregonian Please don't tell me you did in 2016. I don't want to know.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@MistyCee I didn't vote for either of those clowns. You couldn't have paid me to! I voted Libertarian and will likely continue to do so. The two party system need to be overthrown. It may not happen in my lifetime but neither major party truly represents the best interests of the USA. They are out for themselves.
@GerOttman SMH.

You voted Libertarian, helping to put a narcissist authoritarian into office.

Good luck changing the system from outside of it.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@MistyCee I vote for who/what I believe is right. I don't see any other way to do it. BTW, "narcissist authoritarian' is exactly how I'd have described HRC. Thanks, couldn't have said it better myself!!
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@NativeOregonian I’m a Democrat, but I’ll “defend” Republicans here by saying they don’t think education is a complete waste of time, education is valuable to Republicans to the extent that it helps them make money; furthermore, I’ve heard them complain that civics classes are getting replaced by social studies classes.