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4meAndyou · F
I believe, very honestly, that the issue of lost power has caused hysteria among the people whose money and personal power derived from that power in government.
The loss of money and personal power are great motivators for remaining angry. Basically, we know which players in Washington have lost power and money, (politicians and their lobby groups and supporters), but there are others who suck off that same power tit, and we mustn't forget the smaller fish and their motivations, which are the same.
Those include The New York Times, which has prostituted itself, CNN and MSNBC which are no longer good for anything but a laugh and whose ratings are plummeting, and the various groups like Anti-Fa and others like them, who are also becoming targets for humor. There is also an enormous group of government workers at the lower levels who derive power and satisfaction from "winning".
None of the people mentioned, above, are going to stop.
None of them can allow Donald Trump to continue.
None of them will ever love Donald Trump.
Recognizing this, and knowing they will still lose in 2020, we can only hope that these groups recognize that they only have to sit and wait four more years and Trump will go away.
Because there are things in train right now that will explode in their faces, and bring down their house.
The loss of money and personal power are great motivators for remaining angry. Basically, we know which players in Washington have lost power and money, (politicians and their lobby groups and supporters), but there are others who suck off that same power tit, and we mustn't forget the smaller fish and their motivations, which are the same.
Those include The New York Times, which has prostituted itself, CNN and MSNBC which are no longer good for anything but a laugh and whose ratings are plummeting, and the various groups like Anti-Fa and others like them, who are also becoming targets for humor. There is also an enormous group of government workers at the lower levels who derive power and satisfaction from "winning".
None of the people mentioned, above, are going to stop.
None of them can allow Donald Trump to continue.
None of them will ever love Donald Trump.
Recognizing this, and knowing they will still lose in 2020, we can only hope that these groups recognize that they only have to sit and wait four more years and Trump will go away.
Because there are things in train right now that will explode in their faces, and bring down their house.
4meAndyou · F
@SumKindaMunster Thank you!
nonny · 56-60, M
Your comment could only make sense to you if you live in a partisan bubble, hidden from other realities. Trump’s overall approval rating has never been above the low 40s, and his disapproval rating is a large majority of the American people.
That doesn’t mean he can’t win again in 2020. But the idea that the country feels the way you think it does would look silly to you if you had a more balanced media diet.
The New York Times meanwhile is thriving financially, helped by the continuous list of outrageous (or just distracting) things Trump does.
(And sure, it has a generally liberal bias. But you also have to be very deep in a partisan bubble and very unaware of essentially everything about how media is made to have ever believed it was ‘fake news.’ Right or left, there’s still media that follows rigourous journalistic principles and practices that do not exist in the partisan universe. Every non-partisan media analyst in the country says that’s what the New York Times is and does.)
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That doesn’t mean he can’t win again in 2020. But the idea that the country feels the way you think it does would look silly to you if you had a more balanced media diet.
The New York Times meanwhile is thriving financially, helped by the continuous list of outrageous (or just distracting) things Trump does.
(And sure, it has a generally liberal bias. But you also have to be very deep in a partisan bubble and very unaware of essentially everything about how media is made to have ever believed it was ‘fake news.’ Right or left, there’s still media that follows rigourous journalistic principles and practices that do not exist in the partisan universe. Every non-partisan media analyst in the country says that’s what the New York Times is and does.)
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@nonny [quote]Your comment could only make sense to you if you live in a partisan bubble, hidden from other realities. [/quote]
The same could be said of you.
[quote]Right or left, there’s still media that follows rigourous journalistic principles and practices that do not exist in the partisan universe. [/quote]
And what are you basing that on? Your own personal biases? While I would agree there are a few journalists who still are honest and forthright, what we are seeing is obvious propaganda from the MSM who move in lockstep promoting their own massaged version of their "truth". The New York Times is no longer a bastion of truth and impartialness. They never really were, but its pretty clear that many news organizations in this country are horribly biased against Trump and his supporters, including the New York Times and are promoting a narrative in an attempt to influence and control the populace.
Just recently, the New York Times decided to promote a narrative called "1619" which in their own words is an attempt to change the narrative of this country's history to highlight slavery and its role in our history. That's horribly biased, and in my mind is happening because the New York Times is colluding with the Democrats to promote African American concerns in an attempt to motivate them to come out in force to vote for whomever the eventual Democrat nominee is.
The same could be said of you.
[quote]Right or left, there’s still media that follows rigourous journalistic principles and practices that do not exist in the partisan universe. [/quote]
And what are you basing that on? Your own personal biases? While I would agree there are a few journalists who still are honest and forthright, what we are seeing is obvious propaganda from the MSM who move in lockstep promoting their own massaged version of their "truth". The New York Times is no longer a bastion of truth and impartialness. They never really were, but its pretty clear that many news organizations in this country are horribly biased against Trump and his supporters, including the New York Times and are promoting a narrative in an attempt to influence and control the populace.
Just recently, the New York Times decided to promote a narrative called "1619" which in their own words is an attempt to change the narrative of this country's history to highlight slavery and its role in our history. That's horribly biased, and in my mind is happening because the New York Times is colluding with the Democrats to promote African American concerns in an attempt to motivate them to come out in force to vote for whomever the eventual Democrat nominee is.
4meAndyou · F
@SumKindaMunster Yay You!
nonny · 56-60, M
The point of my post is that I make a habit of spending time outside my partisan bubble, taking in what very different people have to say. Not to make fun of them, or attack them, but to try to take it seriously and see what happens. The world isn’t going to make a lot of sense to me until I understand where the extreme stereotypes on the other side come from and whether any part of them feels justified.
There’s a whole lot of very tiresome, noisy, echo-chamber name-calling on both sides, that comes from a tiny number of mostly very ill-informed people, and generally pollutes the public debate. I wish that would stop and I want to help that happen.
@SumKindaMunster
There’s a whole lot of very tiresome, noisy, echo-chamber name-calling on both sides, that comes from a tiny number of mostly very ill-informed people, and generally pollutes the public debate. I wish that would stop and I want to help that happen.
@SumKindaMunster
4meAndyou · F
@nonny I have lost every particle of respect I ever had for the New York Times.
I don't know if it started with their full throated support of the Russian collusion hoax, or whether my final disillusionment arrived when I heard the leaked transcript of the New York Times staff meeting wherein management told reporters and opinion writers that the paper will now be abandoning their Russian Collusion tales, (in light of the emerging facts, no doubt), and informed the staff that their NEW direction would be, "Trump is a Racist", and their future focus will be racism in general for the foreseeable future.
Learning that, I suspected that no real news emerges from the Gray Lady any longer, but I was assured of that when I learned that the headline, "Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism" HAD to be pulled, and replaced with the headline, "Assailing Hate But Not Guns".
That the paper would prostitute itself in that way, pandering to the loudest voices in the political spectrum, is disgusting. That they are willing to pull a headline and make it more negative, FOR READERSHIP,(they think),is blatant prostitution. They have become sell-outs of the worst sort.
The fact that the NYT was funded to the tune of 250 million dollars by a Mexican billionaire with a vested interest in bringing down our government is probably the least of our worries.
If you are, as I suspect, a journalist, you may have an interest in defending the NYT and attacking my opinions, but I am one of those few who do NOT exist in a partisan bubble. Unlike many of the trolls here, I usually read both sides of an issue to the best of my ability. It's just that the radical left folk are insane, and I don't know how anyone can take them seriously. I try to read that tripe, and I even watch Don Lemmon till I gag...I even watched that guy who informed me that flying the flag over the white house at half mast was secretly an 8, which is a symbol for the Nazis.
So...please. I just don't listen to trolls, cranks, and nuts.
I don't know if it started with their full throated support of the Russian collusion hoax, or whether my final disillusionment arrived when I heard the leaked transcript of the New York Times staff meeting wherein management told reporters and opinion writers that the paper will now be abandoning their Russian Collusion tales, (in light of the emerging facts, no doubt), and informed the staff that their NEW direction would be, "Trump is a Racist", and their future focus will be racism in general for the foreseeable future.
Learning that, I suspected that no real news emerges from the Gray Lady any longer, but I was assured of that when I learned that the headline, "Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism" HAD to be pulled, and replaced with the headline, "Assailing Hate But Not Guns".
That the paper would prostitute itself in that way, pandering to the loudest voices in the political spectrum, is disgusting. That they are willing to pull a headline and make it more negative, FOR READERSHIP,(they think),is blatant prostitution. They have become sell-outs of the worst sort.
The fact that the NYT was funded to the tune of 250 million dollars by a Mexican billionaire with a vested interest in bringing down our government is probably the least of our worries.
If you are, as I suspect, a journalist, you may have an interest in defending the NYT and attacking my opinions, but I am one of those few who do NOT exist in a partisan bubble. Unlike many of the trolls here, I usually read both sides of an issue to the best of my ability. It's just that the radical left folk are insane, and I don't know how anyone can take them seriously. I try to read that tripe, and I even watch Don Lemmon till I gag...I even watched that guy who informed me that flying the flag over the white house at half mast was secretly an 8, which is a symbol for the Nazis.
So...please. I just don't listen to trolls, cranks, and nuts.
nonny · 56-60, M
Among other things, what I am is a Canadian. We’re your closest ally and partner in the world, and like you in many ways.
More than 90% of Canadians would’ve voted against Trump, mostly because he’s so manifestly unfit for the office. I don’t know how clear it is to Americans that your current government looks like an incomprehensible freak show to your closest friends. It’s not because they’re watching US left-liberal media.
I followed the Mueller report story closely from a vast range of sources, from many viewpoints and countries. To call the story or inquiry a hoax given what the report shows isn’t defensible. It just means you haven’t read it, even in summary. @4meAndyou
More than 90% of Canadians would’ve voted against Trump, mostly because he’s so manifestly unfit for the office. I don’t know how clear it is to Americans that your current government looks like an incomprehensible freak show to your closest friends. It’s not because they’re watching US left-liberal media.
I followed the Mueller report story closely from a vast range of sources, from many viewpoints and countries. To call the story or inquiry a hoax given what the report shows isn’t defensible. It just means you haven’t read it, even in summary. @4meAndyou
4meAndyou · F
@nonny Wait until the fall when the truth will be revealed. All the reports will come out then, and there WILL be criminal referrals inside the FBI, and the state department. CRIMINAL REFERRALS!!!! Just like the criminal referral that has already been issued against Comey.
These referrals will be based on the facts that were partly included, partly omitted, and skirted and falsified in the Mueller report, including a deliberate attempt to frame an American citizen by concealing mitigating evidence by the FBI.
It must be lovely for you to assure yourself that if only Canadians were Americans, that precise percentage of them would have hated and abhorred Trump, and would have loved and supported Hillary, who rigged the election, broke our laws, cheated Bernie Sanders of the nomination by rigging how the funds were channelled, and who hired foreign operatives through the FBI to lie for her and provide false documentation of said lies, and who subverted the FBI to her use, and subverted the FISA courts to her use.
I can tell you that Hillary was abusive toward working class Americans. She called us a "basket of deplorables". Her bubble of elite snobbery could not even be penetrated enough understand that the common folk found her hateful, smug, and condescending.
I am tired of this back and forth. You are what you are...a person who feels he must engage in the politics of a country not his own. And I am an American and a patriot first and always. I love my country...a LOT...and so does Trump.
These referrals will be based on the facts that were partly included, partly omitted, and skirted and falsified in the Mueller report, including a deliberate attempt to frame an American citizen by concealing mitigating evidence by the FBI.
It must be lovely for you to assure yourself that if only Canadians were Americans, that precise percentage of them would have hated and abhorred Trump, and would have loved and supported Hillary, who rigged the election, broke our laws, cheated Bernie Sanders of the nomination by rigging how the funds were channelled, and who hired foreign operatives through the FBI to lie for her and provide false documentation of said lies, and who subverted the FBI to her use, and subverted the FISA courts to her use.
I can tell you that Hillary was abusive toward working class Americans. She called us a "basket of deplorables". Her bubble of elite snobbery could not even be penetrated enough understand that the common folk found her hateful, smug, and condescending.
I am tired of this back and forth. You are what you are...a person who feels he must engage in the politics of a country not his own. And I am an American and a patriot first and always. I love my country...a LOT...and so does Trump.
nonny · 56-60, M
I’m no friend of Hillary. She represents the politics of the past, which has mostly benefitted the 1% and involved a vast amount of elite cronyism.
But I’ll tell you, as someone who is not in a US right-wing media echo-chamber, what you think you know about the Mueller Report is a bunch of Looney Tunes screaming and pitchfork-waving for the benefit of a gullible, partisan mob.
It has as little to do with reality as Trump being a literal pawn of the Kremlin, lizard people ruling the planet, the Sandy Hook shooting being staged, or the Democrats operating a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlour.
It’s shiny distraction for the manipulation of very small minds, who do not check sources.
It’s why the rest of the world is afraid for you. So many of you are lost down one or another of these rabbit holes, being played for fools. Your democracy could be in genuine trouble.
We sure aren’t perfect over here either. But we aren’t nearly so far gone. @4meAndyou
But I’ll tell you, as someone who is not in a US right-wing media echo-chamber, what you think you know about the Mueller Report is a bunch of Looney Tunes screaming and pitchfork-waving for the benefit of a gullible, partisan mob.
It has as little to do with reality as Trump being a literal pawn of the Kremlin, lizard people ruling the planet, the Sandy Hook shooting being staged, or the Democrats operating a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlour.
It’s shiny distraction for the manipulation of very small minds, who do not check sources.
It’s why the rest of the world is afraid for you. So many of you are lost down one or another of these rabbit holes, being played for fools. Your democracy could be in genuine trouble.
We sure aren’t perfect over here either. But we aren’t nearly so far gone. @4meAndyou
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@nonny I think that's a laudable goal. But it is also naive to believe you are not biased, indoctrinated or just plain misinformed.
I've made this point to many of our Western allies and friends on this site.
You are only seeing and hearing what your liberal media wants you to see and hear. I've noted that other right wing administrations like Bolsonaro in Brazil, Duerte in the Philippines and Matteo Salvini in Italy get the same treatment from our liberal press. They are evil, destructive and corrupt according to our media. Meanwhile, France is in its 8th? month of protests but the liberal media says nothing about how poorly Macron must be running that country to have that happen. Look how careful the liberal media is to not offend the Chinese who are actively oppressing their citizens because of their own protesting.
I've noted in your own comments that you are indoctrinated by the liberal media about "pizzagate" a conspiracy that addresses a voluminous amount of very disturbing and questionable material found on John Podesta and some of his associates computers. Have you ever reviewed the material that informs the pizzagate conspiracy? I know the answer to that is no, as you are parroting a liberal media canard with this comment:
[quote]or the Democrats operating a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlour.[/quote]
That's a very misinformed way of describing it, and it clearly shows your own indoctrination even though you claim you are fully neutral and not biased.
Look we all are. I am too. But I know that I am and I still try to keep an open mind when I read opposing viewpoints. But don't kid yourself that you are not.
I've made this point to many of our Western allies and friends on this site.
You are only seeing and hearing what your liberal media wants you to see and hear. I've noted that other right wing administrations like Bolsonaro in Brazil, Duerte in the Philippines and Matteo Salvini in Italy get the same treatment from our liberal press. They are evil, destructive and corrupt according to our media. Meanwhile, France is in its 8th? month of protests but the liberal media says nothing about how poorly Macron must be running that country to have that happen. Look how careful the liberal media is to not offend the Chinese who are actively oppressing their citizens because of their own protesting.
I've noted in your own comments that you are indoctrinated by the liberal media about "pizzagate" a conspiracy that addresses a voluminous amount of very disturbing and questionable material found on John Podesta and some of his associates computers. Have you ever reviewed the material that informs the pizzagate conspiracy? I know the answer to that is no, as you are parroting a liberal media canard with this comment:
[quote]or the Democrats operating a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlour.[/quote]
That's a very misinformed way of describing it, and it clearly shows your own indoctrination even though you claim you are fully neutral and not biased.
Look we all are. I am too. But I know that I am and I still try to keep an open mind when I read opposing viewpoints. But don't kid yourself that you are not.