Do u believe Donald Trump is to blame for the recent shootings in the US ? 🤔

As it stands today. It appears that Trump has emboldened these White Nationalists to commit these acts of terror. The recent events in our world today says everything. You saw the shootings in Texas and Ohio. White Nationalism, or nationalism from any ethnic group or race is the problem here. If we do not call it for what it is this tragedy will never end. Something needs to be done. But these racist comments from Trump must end. What do you think. 😐

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Adogslife · 61-69, M

Instead of just “yelling” racism and pointing fingers, which may not be entirely wrong, the black community needs to decide how THEY would like to be perceived and what THEY can do to change that perception.

White people can’t change black on black crime, criminal tolerance, lower education standards and fatherless families. None of these issues are entirely “black” per se, but they do largely affect perceptions and reality in the black community.

It can be done, but not without the community looking inward and changing the focus of blame.

Perfect example: When I was young, the horrible stereotype of Chinese was that they all owned or worked at laundry mats. Now a part of that may be true, but as a community they decided to change that perception.

Now, 2021, what is the perception of their community? It’s that their children are the smartest, most hard working in the world.
Third class citizens to Ivy League graduates in less than two generations.

And what was the public assistance they were afforded? Nil.

Change can occur, but it will never occur with your (pl) finger pointing outward to blame others for your lack of success. It’s not the system. It’s you, the individual, that can make a difference and that difference isn’t black or white.

So, now that Trump is gone, along with his fucking idiotic Twitter penchant, let’s judge what the black community can do to evolve. I’ll only suggest that little happened under 8 years with Obama, so it’s not about a President. Like Obama or not, no one can belittle the absolute class and dignity that he set as an example. But, somehow everyone remained indignant.

So, it’s not the system. It’s not a political party. It’s individual responsibility and that’s got little to do with privilege, pigment or political party.

A great deal also is perspective. You have a choice. Be angry about where you came from or optimistic about where you’re going.

The optimist will always succeed.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Adogslife Wow. The ignorance and privilege is stunning. Forget hundreds of years of racism and oppression and just hire better PR. 🤦‍♂️

This idea of 'personal responsibility" is idiotic because people don't exist in a vacuum. I know neo liberals don't believe society exists.

Sorry but in this case optimism is victim blaming and gaslighting.

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Adogslife · 61-69, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I’m not sure that getting a good education and working 50-60 hours a week for the last 3-4 decades would qualify as “privilege”, though some liberal moonbat may deem it as such. Very few are born into success. I wasn’t. So, your name calling and sniveling won’t bother me in the least.

As far as victims are concerned, I’m not familiar with entire cultures painting themselves as such. I am aware of the prejudice many cultures, races and sexes, have endured during my lifetime. I can tell you that, bar none, America provides a way to work, educate and grow. It has been proven on many scales and is continuously improving. Perfect? No, but opportunity is far better than almost any country, especially if you ask others about upward mobility where they’re from.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Adogslife Good job proving you don't know what that word means in this context. 🤦‍♂️ And your claim that very few are born into success is just factually wrong.

And I am sorry you still believe in the Horatio Alger fantasies. Sorry but Santa isn't real either.

Your claims tell me you have zero personal experience with prejudice and oppression and think because something was easy for you the same applies to everyone. For you this entire discussion is just academic and has no stakes. That is the definition of privilege here.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

@Adogslife It sounds good on paper. But when you do not follow the laws of this country that affects people. When cops shoot unarmed Black males and get off that affects people. When people are lynched that affects people. When people have been denied health care, clean air, clean water, that affects people. Do you get it now. Not everyone can maintain in a society where they are constantly being objectified, ridiculed wrongly, or racially profiled without reason. That also affects people. When a President says it's ok to attack Mexicans and Asians that affects people. Do you get it now. Justice must be served. No justice no peace. 🙂

Adogslife · 61-69, M

@Zonuss I certainly agree and respect your opinion. I just don’t have much faith in discussions on social websites. People tend to parse words and bloviate rather than discuss solutions.

Notice how much opinion there is yet few lay out the path to solve the problem. You seem to be one of the social justice warriors on the site. What is your solution or solutions?

Both parties have led. That didn’t solve the problem. Black males to get shot, then there’s outrage. White males get shot too. Do you know what the average white person thinks when a white person is shot? “Good, he probably deserved it. He’s a criminal and he got caught. Tough shit.” So the same exact thing can and does exist in both communities. It’s the reactions that are different. You’re perhaps more willing to see the criminal as a victim than I am. But, that’s a very small piece of a very large pie.

The larger piece is overall violence within the community, lack of education or access thereto, fatherless families, the treatment of women, role models and more. The only way to truly be successful is for these issues to be solved and the answers for resolution to come from the community itself. That will do more than anything to level the playing field.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Adogslife It is not that there are no solutions. It is that people like you won't even acknowledge the existence of the systemic problems that cause these issues. You can't solve systemic problems when those that benefit from the status quo refuse to acknowledge it even exists.

When a black person gets shot there it rightfully outrage. A white middle class person jumping to conclusions and assumptions about the victim and assumptions about the police being white knights doesn't change that. And your claim also does not hold water since many whites who commit similar crimes either get special treatment or are treated like heros for maintaining the social status quo and keeping the lower classes down.

And lets talk about "violence in the community." White on white crime is the biggest cause of violence against whites too. Convenient how that never comes up in the narrative. Communities in the states are segregated along racial lines so in any community you are most likely to be a victim of crime from someone who looks like you regardless of race. But that doesn't fit the "race realism" narrative of one group being socially and morally superior. As for solutions that that come from the communities themselves that has always been met would hostility and in some cases outright state oppression. Kind of hard to effect change when you have the former president declaring minorities in government enemies of the state. The fact that you see the solutions for everyone as the same as they are for upper middle class white folks from the suburbs speaks volumes about your ignorance on this.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Adogslife You are right about one thing though. Neither party has the interests of the lower class in mind. That is why most minorities have checked out of electoral politics entirely and join mass movements. Even peer reviewed studies have proven the US government works exclusively for big business and oligarchs and anything that benefits the lower working classes is so small it can be written off as statistical error.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

@Adogslife There you go again with your narrow minded Conservative rhetoric. I'm not a soul justice warrior. Or anti White. I'm anti racist. That means I object to all forms of racial or cultural supremacy from any racial or ethnic group. We cannot afford to ignore these social ills as things have gotten much worse over the. Your lack of empathy and intelligence is what's the problem. If a White male gets shot unarmed by a cop that is wrong. I have made posts time and time again about that. When I do nobody wants to talk about it. Why? Because people are afraid of the truth. Police brutality is a real problem. And the stuff you don't see on the news would make your skin crawl. There is violence in every race. The educational system has failed everyone. Student debt at an all time high. Fatherless homes abound. Getting rid of corruption and systemic Racism is what will even the playing field. Because even when Blacks were slaves and we're a family unit racism affected them even more so then. Google Black Wall Streets. And you will see. But the truth remains we must.look for solutions. And a lot of progress has been made. 🤔

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Adogslife Here is a video that provides a bit of perspective on how race and class are linked to the problem. Unfortunately it doesn't cover how some of the biggest Fortune 500 companies use prison slave labour and lobby for harsh sentences and how private prisons make profits on occupancy like a hotel so recidivism is a feature not a bug.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHzLtjR_hdY]

Police brutality is part of this system and exists to enforce the system with an iron fist.