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Does this seem like a reasonable compromise?

Any high-profile "journalists" who either

(A) engaged in Iraq War-apologism during both the Bush and Obama years; or
(B) ever supported the Iraq at any point, and pushed "Russian collusion" at any point

ought be placed before a firing squad.

This strikes me as a huge win-win proposal for everyone but those who would be executed. Pros:

1.) We snuff out a good number of people who've proven repeatedly that the fates of millions mean little to them compared to their own team-sports attitude to political ideology, and who've devoted their professional lives to convincing others to become as deranged as they are.

2.) We do so in a way that sends a strong reminder about the true purposes of journalism, and might well prevent decadent conditions like those which have prevailed during the "cable news era" from arising again for quite a while.

3.) Both the Democrats and the Republicans who are retarded enough to remain in an abusive relationship with mainstream media will still get to keep the least-reprehensible of their talking heads.

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GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

This idea that killing solved problems is very right wing and destructive. You cannot kill your way out of problems. It doesn't matter if you're the French revolution or Nazi Germany. It simply does not work.

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redredred · M

@GoldenWorm Right wing? Explain that to one of the forty million Stalin killed or one of the sixty million Mao murdered. Marx is probably responsibile for a hundred and fifty million deaths

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@redredred listen to Stephanie Miller or the head cast. You'll hear zero "solutions based on death. Listen to fox or rush for the same amount and it's death everyday.

Pulling old leftist authoritarians isn't what I'm talking about. I'm saying in the US to say. It's all one sided.

Keraunos · 36-40, M

@GoldenWorm I assumed it would be apparent that this is just a bit of provocateurship (though one which conveys a justifiable underlying sentiment) — but that was probably an error on my part given the sort of ideas that get thrown around here with sincerity on a regular basis.

I will disclaim, then: I am not seriously proposing that this actually be undertaken.

I do take issue with the characterization of violencing-your-problems-away as "right wing", though. It is when it is, of course, but it's far from restricted to the "right", or even the "right and left". It's an approach that emerges very naturally when an ideology which thinks it has good and evil all sorted out takes hold, then one day finds things are no longer going its way.

redredred · M

@GoldenWorm Read up on Antifa and the rest of the left wing thugs that infest our cities.

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@redredred read up yourself. How many mass shootings have been lefties vs righties? How many trials for violence? How many people run over?

Keraunos · 36-40, M

@GoldenWorm It does not sound like you're denying that "left-wing" political violence occurs, though, just emphasizing the incidents emanating from the "right" as more prevalent. Unless I've totally misunderstood him, I don't think he's making the argument that no "right-wing" political violence happens, just pointing out that not all of it comes from there.

redredred · M

@GoldenWorm Most of the mass shootings have been disaffected democrats and other leftist. the theater in colorado, the mass killing in Las Vegas, Nicolas Cruz in Florida hated Trump and lots more. Really, just read once in awhile.

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@Keraunos the right likes to pretend that there's a massive force of hyper violent leftists called ANTIFA. It's a big lie and they do it to excuse and cover up the much more prevalent rw.

I get that you're trying to broker peace but the scales are so uneven and the right so full of political and lying about it that there isn't a bridge to cross. They need to learn or decide that political violence and propaganda aren't useful. Peace making is taken by them that the propaganda is working so they double down.

C.f. "proud boys" or even milo yannopoulois making inflammatory speeches at places liberals are likely to gather.

C.f. "Orange marches" in Ireland during the troubles.

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@redredred vegas was a libertarian Trumper. Check out white nationalist attacks report by the FBI.

redredred · M

Right, the honest-as-the-day-is-long FBI. Should I start with Peter Strzok or his lying girlfriend? Maybe that paragon of honesty
James Comey?@GoldenWorm

jackjjackson · M

We all know worm is a jackass. @GoldenWorm @redredred

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@jackjjackson and come see the generic rude abusive trumpers. They are all horrible people on a mission to fellate their uber-daddy

GoldenWorm · 56-60, M

@redredred comey helped trump win with an October surprise email....or did you forget he's team Republican?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred

forty million Stalin killed

40 million 😂😂😂

Libertarians man, not even once.

redredred · M

youre right, probably closer to sixty million@QuixoticSoul

redredred · M

@GoldenWorm Trump was beating that hag ass before Comey inadvertantly uttered a moment of truth.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred Lmao is this Cold War propaganda or libertarian insanity that we’re seeing in action here?

redredred · M

@QuixoticSoul No you dope, its the Ukrainian famine known as the Holodomor. See if you can find a grownup to read the story to you. Its called history.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred Ukrainian SSR had a population of 29 million in 1926 and 30 million in 1936. Those numbers tell a tale of a devastating famine, but only a libertarian can find 60 million deaths in there.

redredred · M

@QuixoticSoul I know this will be confusing to someone with the intelligence of a grapefruit but Stalin killed fare more than the forty million Ukrainians. The Gulag Archipelago details the huge complex of dearh camps Stalin created. Im not going to spoon feed you documented historical facts. I suspect you will live your life as a fully ignorant fool but there no need to demonstrate it here; we all already know youre a dope.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred You are epically fucking retarded if you think that Stalin killed forty million Ukrainians Lmao there weren’t that many Ukrainians in Ukraine during his rule - or his life. The numbers you’re throwing around require Soviets to manufacture millions of people out of thin air just to kill or starve them. They’d be impossible to recover from.

I’ve spoken to members of my own family whose parents survived the gulag system - this shit is still in living memory. And with survivors of the famine, both in Ukraine and Russia. The stuff was shitty enough not to invent a fairy tale out of the affair. No they weren’t death camps - that’s why most people made it out.

Gulag Archipelago is a seminal work of art. You’re not supposed to read it as history lmao.

You are seriously fucking stupid about Soviet history, and what’s worse is that it’s the most insane kind of retarded - you simply never stopped to think about what those kinds of losses would mean for the overall demographics of the USSR. They are impossible numbers.

redredred · M

Impossible? How about the twenty million WWII casualties? Bearing that loss seemed not to slow the advance of criminality that was Soviet Communism. Loosing twice as many just means not having to feed or house them. Sourcing answers from people inside the Information desert that was the USSR? Thats fucking genius, moron. The prisoners of socialism didnt even know people in the US owned their own cars and homes. How would they know what crimes Stalin was up to?

You would be a fit butt-boy for Walter Duranty. Look it up.

@QuixoticSoul

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred If you think that Stalin killed sixty million people, you’re straight up retarded. There is simply no way to make those numbers work demographically (the twenty million ww2 losses were absolutely devastating on their own). You’re lost in some sort of libertarian no-thought zone, completely out to lunch.

PS - people knew about private property in the US (and before the revolution). And we all knew which members of our family survived the gulags and which didn’t.

Way to demonstrate just how massively retarded a libertarian can get. Fuck, you lot are worse than tankies.

redredred · M

Okay DB (duranty's buttboy) whats your count? 30 million? 20 million?, 10?,5?,2? Three guys named Lubomyr? At what point does old Uncle Joe lose his status as the Guardian Angel of the Ukraine?@QuixoticSoul

jackjjackson · M

Pssst. This joker is trying to take you down a rabbit hole 😂 @redredred

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