"Harris would annihilate Trump." ~George Conway

I’d say that’s true.

That said, Hillary Clinton annihilated him— in substance— in the debates too. But it didn’t matter because...

1. Russia’s pro-Trump/anti-Clinton propaganda
2. Comey presser

James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”

I'm looking forward to July 17th. We'll soon be discovering just how extensive the attack on our democracy actually was. Especially knowing Manafort gave Russia the internal polling data and TOLD RUSSIA to FOCUS their efforts on THOSE STATES.

We've also heard the loud whispers about election hacking in addition to the propaganda efforts, but McConnell has blocked any investigation into the matter. We'll probably learn the full truth in years.

Illegitimate POTUS, illegitimate SCOTUS.

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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

[quote]I'm looking forward to July 17th. We'll soon be discovering just how extensive the attack on our democracy actually was.[/quote]
Expect that conversation to be about obstruction, not some kind of conspiracy.

SWMae · 26-30, F

@QuixoticSoul

It will also be about money laundering and his ties to Russia.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@SWMae I doubt that will be a huge topic. By all indications, it wasn't in the report.

There was never a conspiracy. Trump is just an asshole with a legitimacy complex, so he spazzed out and made some painfully ham-fisted attempts at obstruction. He's not a manchurian candidate, he's just a run of the mill narcissist.

SWMae · 26-30, F

@QuixoticSoul

We shall see.

JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

@QuixoticSoul I am not sure what the difference is here between conspiracy and collusion?

He colluded with Russia on a number of things. One of them being a campaign to steal the election. The Russians hacked electoral systems. If Trump conspired with them to do this doesn't that make it a conspiracy involving collusion?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@JaggedLittlePill There is no real indications he conspired with them. Russians gave him a nudge for their own reasons, Hillary's foreign policy was set to be rather antagonistic.

JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

@QuixoticSoul Yes. There are real indications he conspired with them. How can you say there are not?

SWMae · 26-30, F

@QuixoticSoul

I don't care if Mueller simply reads from his report. He found 10 counts of Conspiracy and Obstruction. I want to hear him say it.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@JaggedLittlePill There really aren't. Seriously. Few would call me a Trump supporter. But there was never a grand conspiracy.

@SWMae He just found obstruction.

JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

@QuixoticSoul so Manafort giving polling data to Russian intelligence is no big deal then?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@JaggedLittlePill Manafort and Kilimnik were playing their own game, and had their own plans.

Muller's report discusses their plans and communications - and there are no allegations of a conspiracy there, and no additional charges for Manafort stemming from it.

It doesn't even seem like Kilimnik ended up passing anything substantive onto anyone.

Don't get me wrong - if you're interested in the post-Soviet space, that is a very interesting little side story that played itself out. It's just not what you're looking for.

JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

@QuixoticSoul I am not looking for anything but the truth. Don't indicate that I am looking for anything other than the actual facts of the matter.

SWMae · 26-30, F

@QuixoticSoul @JaggedLittlePill

The point is that the Russian inference in the 2016 election must not become a secondary issue as the GOP and trump are trying to make it.

I understand what you're saying though. Mueller wasn't able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that trump committed treason. Why? Obstruction. Even if he was able to prove it, McConnell is there to protect trump. That said, his report did not exonerate trump. His base refuses to believe that. The majority of them prefer not to read, rather hear the news second-hand (Fox). Maybe they will listen to Mueller testify, even if he simply reads from his report. Mueller will also reveal much more, mainly the money laundering, behind closed doors which will then start impeachment hearings against trump.

Pelosi's endgame is timing. trump is hurting himself daily. Impeachment hearings should be brought one charge at a time and dominate every TV schedule from now until election day. The Senate is useless. Let the American people be the jury. They will be screwed when trump is on the ballot for 2020 and everyone knows he's guilty and Republicans helped or did nothing. She's waiting to put them in the worst spot possible.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@SWMae Russian interference will go down in the history books - that was a spectacular op, amazing return for the money. Those boys the feds indicted will never buy a drink for the rest of their lives. I'm as proud of the Russian security services, as I am disgusted with the US ones. It was very much a big deal.

But there was no conspiracy, there just wasn't.

That's the funniest thing about Trump's obvious and hamfisted obstruction - he was never actually in danger. He just has a monstrous ego and a legitimacy complex - he couldn't help himself.