Can someone tell me why ILLEGAL immigrants SHOULDN'T be removed?
This is not to start fights, I'm genuinely curious on peoples' opinions.
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MarmeeMarch · M
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@MarmeeMarch exactly. its craziness.
artistinresidence · 56-60, M
that is a fantasy unsupported by any reality..they don't vote,, can't vote,, and they don't receive welfare.. that is a lie that trump keeps repeating.. and even if it were remotely true it is a tiny fraction of the taxes they pay in to the system for which they get no return@MarmeeMarch
@artistinresidence you dont know much do you. they can get identification cards. and they do get welfare.
artistinresidence · 56-60, M
you can say that all day long,, but one thing you can't do is provide any evidence or reputable investigations or reports that back up that fantasy and lie. next thing you are going to say is that Hillary personally gave three million undocumented aliens fake ID so they could vote for her,, gosh,, and she still lost.. @winchesterbros
MarmeeMarch · M
@winchesterbros I am sure thats true - the illegal/liberal complex have bamboozled Americans for years and we pay every April 15th
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Oh well it must be true, Trump news has it all!!
The 'illegal immigrants voting' thing was so important that Trump appointed a commissioner (FAR more important than decent healthcare natch) who after a thorough investigation was quietly un-appointed after finding no evidence... Just as there was zero evidence of bus loads being taken to NH to vote for the Democrats...Who knew?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-migrants-cost-us-taxpayers-billions-a-year
Oh well it must be true, Trump news has it all!!
The 'illegal immigrants voting' thing was so important that Trump appointed a commissioner (FAR more important than decent healthcare natch) who after a thorough investigation was quietly un-appointed after finding no evidence... Just as there was zero evidence of bus loads being taken to NH to vote for the Democrats...Who knew?
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Of course you have and course he does. I have a CA ID card and a greencard. And it's impossible for me to vote in any capacity for elected officials.
ive even talked to a guy who lives in CA who gives out identity cards for illegals. they pay for them and he helps them to find better work.
Of course you have and course he does. I have a CA ID card and a greencard. And it's impossible for me to vote in any capacity for elected officials.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Oddly more illegal immigrants were deported under Obama than Trump in the same time period.. America wouldn't cope if all non documented immigrants were deported, the food chain would grind to a halt and Trump's golf courses would be under staffed...Oh didn't you know? Damn.
Oh that's old news. They can't vote federally...Which is what Trump was saying. But as we all know, he can't tell the truth. Do you concede that his commission to find voter fraud from illegal immigration found no evidence?
However Mueller DID find lots of evidence to show Russia helped Trump in 2016. But you don't mention that...
how many times have they checked for id? oh wait its the dems who dont want that done because its voter suppression.
Oddly more illegal immigrants were deported under Obama than Trump in the same time period.. America wouldn't cope if all non documented immigrants were deported, the food chain would grind to a halt and Trump's golf courses would be under staffed...Oh didn't you know? Damn.
in CA illegals can vote in local elections.
Oh that's old news. They can't vote federally...Which is what Trump was saying. But as we all know, he can't tell the truth. Do you concede that his commission to find voter fraud from illegal immigration found no evidence?
However Mueller DID find lots of evidence to show Russia helped Trump in 2016. But you don't mention that...
@HerKing yeah fb ads helped trump get elected lmao.
@HerKing what ever russia influence was it did nothing. one no one liked hillary. 2 it was comey digging and reopening her email case that did her in.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Quoting Kushner doesn't make it more true..
yeah fb ads helped trump get elected lmao.
Quoting Kushner doesn't make it more true..
@HerKing lol its not true. most people know by now it had no effect on the election. people wanted something different. someone who wasnt a politician.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Funny, Mueller didn't say so in his report...But as you haven't read it you wouldn't know that, would you?
Really? So when Trump said the election was rigged, he really meant it WAS rigged, only against Clinton? Tell you something, for a 'deep state' operation to make Clinton get elected and not Trump, it didn't work out so well did it?
From Volume 1.
From Mueller's press conference.
what ever russia influence was it did nothing.
Funny, Mueller didn't say so in his report...But as you haven't read it you wouldn't know that, would you?
one no one liked hillary. 2 it was comey digging and reopening her email case that did her in
Really? So when Trump said the election was rigged, he really meant it WAS rigged, only against Clinton? Tell you something, for a 'deep state' operation to make Clinton get elected and not Trump, it didn't work out so well did it?
From Volume 1.
2. Intrusions Targeting the Administration of U.S. Elections
In addition to targeting individuals involved in the Clinton Campaign, GRU officers also
targeted individuals and entities involved in the administration of the elections. Victims included
U.S. state and local entities, such as state boards of elections (SBOEs), secretaries of state, and
county governments, as well as individuals who worked for those entities. 186 The GRU also
targeted private technology firms responsible for manufacturing and administering election-related
software and hardware, such as voter registration software and electronic polling stations. 187 The
GRU continued to target these victims through the elections in November 2016. While the
investigation identified evidence that the GRU targeted these individuals and entities, the Office
did not investigate further. The Office did not, for instance, obtain or examine servers or other
relevant items belonging to these victims. The Office understands that the FBI, the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security, and the states have separately investigated that activity.
By at least the summer of 2016, GRU officers sought access to state and local computer
networks by exploiting known software vulnerabilities on websites of state and local governmental
entities. GRU officers, for example, targeted state and local databases of registered voters using a
technique known as "SQL injection," by which malicious code was sent to the state or local
website in order to run commands (such as exfiltrating the database contents). 188 In one instance
in approximately June 2016, the GRU compromised the computer network of the Illinois State
Board of Elections by exploiting a vulnerability in the SBOE's website. The GRU then gained
access to a database containing information on millions of registered Illinois voters, 189 and
extracted data related to thousands of U.S. voters before the malicious activity was identified. 19
In addition to targeting individuals involved in the Clinton Campaign, GRU officers also
targeted individuals and entities involved in the administration of the elections. Victims included
U.S. state and local entities, such as state boards of elections (SBOEs), secretaries of state, and
county governments, as well as individuals who worked for those entities. 186 The GRU also
targeted private technology firms responsible for manufacturing and administering election-related
software and hardware, such as voter registration software and electronic polling stations. 187 The
GRU continued to target these victims through the elections in November 2016. While the
investigation identified evidence that the GRU targeted these individuals and entities, the Office
did not investigate further. The Office did not, for instance, obtain or examine servers or other
relevant items belonging to these victims. The Office understands that the FBI, the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security, and the states have separately investigated that activity.
By at least the summer of 2016, GRU officers sought access to state and local computer
networks by exploiting known software vulnerabilities on websites of state and local governmental
entities. GRU officers, for example, targeted state and local databases of registered voters using a
technique known as "SQL injection," by which malicious code was sent to the state or local
website in order to run commands (such as exfiltrating the database contents). 188 In one instance
in approximately June 2016, the GRU compromised the computer network of the Illinois State
Board of Elections by exploiting a vulnerability in the SBOE's website. The GRU then gained
access to a database containing information on millions of registered Illinois voters, 189 and
extracted data related to thousands of U.S. voters before the malicious activity was identified. 19
From Mueller's press conference.
The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber-techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Do they? There's evidence that voting machines have been hacked. As for MOST people? Who have you asked?
The popular vote didn't go to Trump though did it?
Again the majority didn't vote for him..In fact most of the electorate didn't vote.
Oh yeah, and how did that work out? Has had all the 'best people' leave in disgust or fired in disgrace. And he never ever ever accepts responsibility for anything. Yeah, what a leader he isn't.. You don't think he wouldn't throw you under the bus? Really?
ol its not true. most people know by now
Do they? There's evidence that voting machines have been hacked. As for MOST people? Who have you asked?
it had no effect on the election.
The popular vote didn't go to Trump though did it?
people wanted something different.
Again the majority didn't vote for him..In fact most of the electorate didn't vote.
someone who wasnt a politician.
Oh yeah, and how did that work out? Has had all the 'best people' leave in disgust or fired in disgrace. And he never ever ever accepts responsibility for anything. Yeah, what a leader he isn't.. You don't think he wouldn't throw you under the bus? Really?
it was on a segment on cnn. they said it wouldnt have mattered, the attack was small and didnt have much of an impact on the election. yes this election had a small turn out compared to past elections that was because both people running werent the best choices. you have so much hate.
MarmeeMarch · M
@HerKing whatever happened when people were honest and trusting...
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
I didn't watch cnn..I read the Mueller report and heard his statement.
And Trump neither cares about that time, and has said he's open to it again, because he hates America.
the attack was small and didnt have much of an impact on the election.
I didn't watch cnn..I read the Mueller report and heard his statement.
As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system.
The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cybertechniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks.
The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation, where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election.
The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.
The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cybertechniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks.
The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation, where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election.
The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.
And Trump neither cares about that time, and has said he's open to it again, because he hates America.
@HerKing so your own bias view you were stating was what you got off of the mueler report and not something that was stated else where. no trump doesnt hate america the left do. they only want to bring down the US and make it another european country.
The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. that right there cleared him from the investigation, that people kept saying he was involved.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros so your own bias view you were stating was what you got off of the mueler report and not something that was stated else where.
Yes he does..why else would he in front of the worlds press, dismiss the entire American intel apparatus (and all of NATO allies) and accept Putin's denial that Russia had interfered in the elections? Why dose (In his own words) love Kim Jong Un? Both despots responsible for the murder of dissedents and in some cases their own family members. Putin has journalists framed or murdered..Trump today joking with Putin at the G20 that Putin doesn't have a problems with 'fake news'; Of course he doesn't..He has them killed.
Another European Country? As in one that does view NK and Russian despots with suspicion and not suck up to them?
no trump doesnt hate america
Yes he does..why else would he in front of the worlds press, dismiss the entire American intel apparatus (and all of NATO allies) and accept Putin's denial that Russia had interfered in the elections? Why dose (In his own words) love Kim Jong Un? Both despots responsible for the murder of dissedents and in some cases their own family members. Putin has journalists framed or murdered..Trump today joking with Putin at the G20 that Putin doesn't have a problems with 'fake news'; Of course he doesn't..He has them killed.
the left do. they only want to bring down the US and make it another european country.
Another European Country? As in one that does view NK and Russian despots with suspicion and not suck up to them?
HerKing · 61-69, M
@winchesterbros
Oh bless, you didn't have enough room to mention the bit about the Trump campaign encouraging the Russians, or the bit about Manafort telling a Russian oligarch and close Putin associate poll numbers. You also had no room to mention Flynn having phone calls with Putin's people before the inauguration to tell him sanctions would be lifted, imposed because of Russia invading Ukraine.. Oh, and DAG Sally Yates reported that Flynn was a security risk (As did Obama) but Trump still employed him.
And maybe you can throw some light on why Kushner (Who was denied a security clearance by the FBI AND the CIA because he's a security risk) would need a private 'back channel' that was housed in the Russian embassy?
The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. that right there cleared him from the investigation, that people kept saying he was involved.
Oh bless, you didn't have enough room to mention the bit about the Trump campaign encouraging the Russians, or the bit about Manafort telling a Russian oligarch and close Putin associate poll numbers. You also had no room to mention Flynn having phone calls with Putin's people before the inauguration to tell him sanctions would be lifted, imposed because of Russia invading Ukraine.. Oh, and DAG Sally Yates reported that Flynn was a security risk (As did Obama) but Trump still employed him.
And maybe you can throw some light on why Kushner (Who was denied a security clearance by the FBI AND the CIA because he's a security risk) would need a private 'back channel' that was housed in the Russian embassy?
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