Why Brexit? Why leave the single market?

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WTO/no deal Brexit

2nd referendum

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These reasons for leaving... are just so invalid. My dad is voting Brexit party and I think we're better off being more open and adopting a shared identity across Europe. Through Brexit we've imposed more restrictions on travel and trade. Brexit appeals to that need to feel proud of being independent and British, to feel powerful and excited. We should allow freedom of movement and allow the natural evolution of our people and culture, we can't hold on to old traditions, eventually white British people will cease existing whether we like it or not.

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

The EU unfortunately doesn't stand for any of these things outside the marketing brochure and cannot be relegated to the dustbin of history fast enough. That being said those leading the charge of Brexit are not exactly the best people for the job and in many cases have no plans at all for what happens after. The thing is a separate UK could be an opportunity to make the nation live up to such lofty ideals instead of paying lip service. A bad start does not have to mean disaster. Our first PM in Canada was an alcoholic who used to stroll through the red light district on the way to Parliament.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Lexit is not politically viable. A few on the left here have that position but Brexit is mostly a project of the nationalist right.

Its like an American Criticising the Democratic Establishment but then voting trump. Some of the analysis makes sense but the strategy is suicidal.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 Most of the reasons it is not viable is because the right has no plan for the day after. If that happens it will be chaos but it is also an opportunity for someone to present a viable plan that doesn't mean the European States of neo liberalism or the British version of MAGA. Many of the people who feel betrayed by the EU are working class people who could jump ship when they realize the people who the backed have no idea what they are doing.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 Another question. If the British left is so impotent why is everyone from the centre and right pissing themselves over Corbyn?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow We are no that weak but the balance of forces narrative holds. Corbyn is arguable the first radical socialist to ever lead Labour and the British establishment want to stop him ay any cost.

Though Brexit could also kill Corbynism.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 I don't deny that there is a xenophobic element behind Brexit. That being said Labour lost plenty of supporters to UKIP long before Brexit or Syria entered the discussion. I also think that writing them off as racist is the simple answer that ignores that like in the US many Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump because they would vote for a sock puppet before a Clinton and in both nations there seems to be a real demographic that went for the right wing populist because they were sold out by the traditional working class party.

misterjakelee · 31-35, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow "many Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump"

Well obviously not very principled "supporters". Those are just people who get caught up in the hype.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 I think in both the US and the UK we are still seeing fallout from Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@misterjakelee Why would they support a DNC that knifed their own best candidate in the back for a completely out of touch diet Republican? Especially one who is of the same ilk as her husband who threw them under the bus and then backed over them again for good measure?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Its actually a bit of a myth. Less switched to Trump than Hillary voters to McCain.

Yes not all Brexiteers are racist but the Primary driver behind their vote was the anti immigration sentiment. The left shouldn't triangulate that or pander to it cos it merely reinforces a right wing frame.

In addition, the country is so polarised on this issue that red ukipers are no longer happy to vote for a compromise option anyway.

Corbyn's strategy is to do as you described and last night we got trounced in a European election.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 I am not suggesting pandering to anyone. Just pointing out that in the west in general the establishment left is not losing because of lack of good potential leadership but mostly due to self sabotage and failure to present a real alternative.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

I mostly agree with your last paragraph and it's why I'm a corbynista.

As of the Brexit situation though, please understand that I live here and I've been actively canvassing in recent elections. There are some Lexiteers here but they are a fringe movement even on the British left.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 I completely understand and I am just speculating from an outside perspective that if Cordyn can present a real alternative option he might find that some who were seduced by charismatic fools like Farage might come back to the fold so to speak. Unfortunately that might require the right crashing the whole thing first.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 As for the first paragraph I live in a country where the establishment left still thinks being the Liberal Party with different spelling is the way to power even when Jack Layton proved exactly the opposite.