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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
I think your post illustrates the clear divide between younger people who like the European ideal and can see the potential, and the older generation who have seen all the pitfalls along the way in continuing to stay in a group where your voice of concern is drowned out by the majority.
The 'voice of concern' isn't fear mongering so much as the experience of watching the UK's influence on the world declining over time. Substituted by a group whom we didn't elect and have no say in their 'performance' unlike politicians in our own country.
That means it's 'easier' for the French and Germans to 'dictate' policy to be undertaken by other member states.
*Changes to laws that were once ours alone to make.
*The fact that France has never been serious about who comes in and out of their borders and the subsequent illegal immigrants Britain then has to deal with in terms of crime; unpaid income tax through illegal work; strain on healthcare etc.
*Our own governments indifference to not supporting the things Britain was known for manufacturing/producing etc.
And when you have a government determined to cut wages; rights; their own responsibilities etc. but STILL insist of spending unimaginable sums to continue to belong to the EU.....You can understand why there's frustration and resentment.
The 'voice of concern' isn't fear mongering so much as the experience of watching the UK's influence on the world declining over time. Substituted by a group whom we didn't elect and have no say in their 'performance' unlike politicians in our own country.
That means it's 'easier' for the French and Germans to 'dictate' policy to be undertaken by other member states.
*Changes to laws that were once ours alone to make.
*The fact that France has never been serious about who comes in and out of their borders and the subsequent illegal immigrants Britain then has to deal with in terms of crime; unpaid income tax through illegal work; strain on healthcare etc.
*Our own governments indifference to not supporting the things Britain was known for manufacturing/producing etc.
And when you have a government determined to cut wages; rights; their own responsibilities etc. but STILL insist of spending unimaginable sums to continue to belong to the EU.....You can understand why there's frustration and resentment.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Picklebobble2 I agree with most of what you say, but I think there’s another, contrary, angle. Looked at objectively, remaining in the EU is the conservative option - better the devil you know - and leave the more radical option - riskier, but also more imaginative and idealistic.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@MartinII Objectivity on this subject died long ago.
It is a fact (like it or not) you either see the E:U in an optimistic light or you see it as a drain on money and self-governing ability.
It is also a fact that we as voters need to remind our governments that they are elected to serve US and NOT the other way around !
It is a fact (like it or not) you either see the E:U in an optimistic light or you see it as a drain on money and self-governing ability.
It is also a fact that we as voters need to remind our governments that they are elected to serve US and NOT the other way around !