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British Politics Are Getting Dangerous

Britain really is in a situation where if someone disagrees with you, "you're a fascist, therefor it's okay to throw bricks at you, as one day you may become a Nazi". That really is a genuine thought by some people in my country, this increasing joke of a country. To other nationstates, please see Britain as a warning of tolerating political violence and the fringe left.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
FYI, people, the OP appears to support Tommy Robinson.

Robinson founded the English Defense League and is an ex-BNP member. He claims to have left those days behind but a few years ago got caught describing ordinary Muslims as 'enemy combatants.'

I don't use the word fascist without good reason but I think it well applies here. I don't think the OP is a fascist but I think she has been suckered by someone who is.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 People no longer care about labels and your "ex blah blah" crap. Why is he the "former" leader of the EDL, and not the current leader? You certainly do use the word fascist without good reason. The word has lost all meaning in 2019.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cunningcrocodile If its lost all meaning then that is a worry because actual fascists can get people to believe that they are something else by hiding their agenda.

It's not about people I disagree with. Trump and Farage are not fascists. Conservatives are not fascists.

Tommy Robinson is:

https://www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/19927-be-clear-tommy-robinson-is-a-violent-fascist-thug
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 You first point - yep and that's the problem with people like you who throw the label at anyone they disagree with.

As for your article, I can do the same thing you do "labels you far left and refuses to read your article, calling it 'propaganda'"
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cunningcrocodile I did watch the video and I'm not sure why you assume I didn't FYI don't think the police acted properly. As of the Muslims: they are not targetting an innocent victim making polite value free assertions, but the poster boy of the British far right.

I'm not gonna use labels without good reasons and evidence, which I've supplied. Maybe its something you don't wanna think about.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 Probably the part where you immediately claimed - before you would have even had time to watch it all - that it was "propaganda" and then went on to make a post about me being a TR supporter, again before you'd have had time to watch all of the video. They didn't specifically attack tommy, he was uninjured, they threw rocks and bottles at innocent women and children, including a mob chasing down and beating a child...

And no, I certainly don't want to engage in a discussion where someone thinks throwing a label is an argument. Certainly not in the current climate where people throw labels and then decide you can act violently against that person for allegedly being that label.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cunningcrocodile You posted it as evidence of 'leftwing violence' and I was expecting non-political footage. It's about Muslims anyway and not the left. I've said what I think of the video and please say what you think of my evidence.

I've given plenty of reasons why I think that label applies to TR. He has history and he has an agenda. Again, I do not think you are a fascist but I think you have been taken in. There are lots of people I have disagreements with who are not fascists.
firefall · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 you're just being trolled, cobber, ignore it
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 I was just posting evidence of my claim of rocks being thrown against right wing political candidates.

I think it is you that have been taken in. Whenever I want to learn about a group, I don't take articles written by someone else telling me what I should think about a group, I look at what the group is actually saying.

1. The assault was against an actual nazi who would not leave their rally.

2. The article states that he wants to forcibly remove all muslims. But then very stupidly, use a quote where he states he wants to deport specifically male muslims who immigrated WITHIN 12 MONTHS AGO, not all Muslims. Muslims have been part of British society for well over a hundred years. And he also makes a point that the older generations of muslims are actually a lot more tolerant and peaceful than many in the current generation.

3. I don't know too much of Tommy's history back then, nor have I ever stated that I agree with everything he's done, you assume that I'm a supporter (I just hate the violence, dishonesty and division of the fringe left). From what he stated, he joined before a time in which there was such a free flow of info from the internet, instead it was more of a case of the only info you had was the person telling you what they want to hear, face to face. He went to a BNP meeting with several black friends, when they were refused membership due to their ethnicity, it was then he left the BNP.

4. " Some of them for example were spotted and filmed making Nazi salutes on the 11 June 2018 FLA march." It was one man, mocking the image the media tries to portray. The fact that your article frames it like that just shows normal people the tricks the media play.

"As well as being full of extreme racist comments, a closed FLA facebook group contained posts saying that convicted racist killer Darren Osborne, who drove his van into Muslims in Finsbury Park, was right to want to murder Jeremy Corbyn. " A day doesn't go by when a prominent member of the left, given a tv platform, not just some fringe wacko in a basement, calls for the death of Donald Trump.

"More recently, Robinson’s campaign has been supported by extremist international organisations like Generation Identity, which runs military training camps for white supremacists." I looked at their training camp footage, they do aerobic exercise and promote a nutritional diet. Their activism involves putting banners on buildings. Hardly military training camps. However, weapons have been found in mosques....
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@firefall I'm not trolling him, I made the initial post. This genuinely concerns me. But Burnley comes to my posts at around about the same time each day I post, just to disagree with me for the sake of it.