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Shouldn’t liberals/socialists that guaranteed the Mueller report would bring down the President apologize?

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beckyromero · 36-40, F
The report could very well say that the reason Mueller doesn't recommend indicting Trump is because the Justice Department policy is to [b]not[/b] indict a [b]sitting[/b] president.

Given Trump's Twitter Silence this weekend, I suspect that may be the case.
@beckyromero But Mueller could have filed an indictment of Trump under seal. And apparently he didn't.
AnneHoney · 36-40, F
Almost impossible. Because he indicted no lessor individuals who would have had to be involved. It’s best for the country this way, that Trump is completely innocent.@beckyromero
HerKing · 61-69, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays [quote]But Mueller could have filed an indictment of Trump under seal. And apparently he didn't.[/quote]

Why? It's DoJ policy to not indict a POTUS in office. So there'd be little point.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays [quote]But Mueller could have filed an indictment of Trump under seal. And apparently he didn't.[/quote]

Read this again:

[quote]The report could very well say that the reason Mueller doesn't recommend indicting Trump is because the [u][b]Justice Department policy is to not indict a sitting president[/b][/u].[/quote]
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@HerKing [quote]It's DoJ policy to not indict a POTUS in office.[/quote]

Some people just don't get this, obviously. No matter how many times we tell them.
kayle · 70-79, M
@beckyromero The summary just said they did not find sufficient evidence to indict- it does NOT exonerate him! Trump made it pretty hard when he refused to answer their questions. That alone is a good sign he was hiding something!
@beckyromero[b] I repeat:[/b] Mueller could have filed an indictment against Trump under seal and apparently he did not. AG Barr made clear that there will be no further indictments. Do you know what an indictment under seal is?

[quote]The Department of Justice says prosecuting a sitting president can impermissibly distract him. However, indictments under seal remove this fear.[/quote]

https://www.attorneyio.com/trump-may-be-indicted/
kayle · 70-79, M
Any cop will tell you that lack of evidence does not mean innocence. It just means no proof to take before a judge. Thousands of people who are guilty of crimes are freely walking the streets because of this. The Russians are certainly smart enough to know how to do things in covert ways.
@HerKing @HerKing [b] I repeat:[/b] Mueller could have filed an indictment against Trump under seal and apparently he did not. AG Barr made clear that there will be no further indictments. Do you know what an indictment under seal is?

[quote]The Department of Justice says prosecuting a sitting president can impermissibly distract him. However, indictments under seal remove this fear.[/quote]

https://www.attorneyio.com/trump-may-be-indicted/
@kayle No it's not. Trump had legitimate concerns about a perjury trap.
kayle · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays An honest man should not have to worry about a perjury "trap". He should just tell the truth.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays

Here is the Justice Department's opinion in 2000 on whether a sitting president can be indicted.

Make some popcorn or something else enjoyable.

It's 260 pages long.

https://www.justice.gov/file/19351/download
@kayle Sounds good, but that's not true in practice especially when you have experienced prosecutors questioning a non-lawyer like Trump.
@beckyromero That's what a footnote in the DOJ opinion says; that you can't indict a sitting president even under seal. But I don't know if a footnote is dispositive of policy.

[quote]8/ Our conclusion would hold true even if such an indictment could lawfully be filed, and were filed, under seal.

Given the indictment’s target it would be very difficult to preserve its secrecy C f United States v Nixon, 418 U S. at 687 n.4 (noting parties’ acknowledgment that “ disclosures to the news media made the reasons for continuance of the protective order no longer meaningful,” with respect to the “ grand jury’s immediate finding relating to the status of the President as an unmdicted co-conspirator” ) Permitting a prosecutor and grand jury to issue even a sealed indictment would allow them to take an unacceptable gamble with fundamental constitutional values.[/quote]
kayle · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Truth is truth. If he doesn't know an answer he can say- "I don't know" or "I don't remember". But he should at least try to cooperate with the US Justice Department investigating a serious crime.
@kayle Giuliani famously said: "No, truth is not truth."
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays

Impeachment is the proper way of removing a president. (That and obviously an election).

There are good and bad reasons whether or not a sitting president should be indictable.

But at least there are those two other methods.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays And Kelly Anne said that there are alternative facts. Mr Conway may have a different opinion. 😄
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@kayle [quote]An honest man should not have to worry about a perjury "trap". He should just tell the truth.[/quote]

Forget about Trump for a moment.

A "perjury trap" is a valid concern.

Can you truthfully describe everything you did, everyone you talked to, everywhere you went on, let's say, February 2 of 2015?

Then a month or two or six later, you may be called back. Asked all the same questions. If your answers differ at all, you can be charged with perjury.

That's what a true "perjury trap" is.
kayle · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Yeah, that the kind of lawyers guilty people hire.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@beckyromero [quote]That's what a true "perjury trap" is.[/quote]

No it isn't. I heard this explained by a former FBI agent. A perjury trap isn't someone making errors or accidental omissions. A perjury trap would be thus:

A perjury trap is a form of [b]prosecutorial misconduct[/b] in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury. Most often a perjury trap is employed because the prosecutor is unable to prosecute the defendant on other charges.


Trump would perjure himself because he's simply incapable of telling the truth. Even his own former lawyers told him that. So he's screwed ether way. He lies (Probably) and if he tells the truth (Unlikely) he'd incriminate himself.
kayle · 70-79, M
@HerKing [i]"Trump would perjure himself because he's simply incapable of telling the truth."[/i]

Is that the kind of president we want?

What a role-model for our kids. 😟
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
It’s appears you were wrong yet again. What straw to you plan to grasp next 😂 ? @beckyromero
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You boys can’t face reality can you SMH @HerKing @kayle
@jackjjackson I am a Democrat and I have to admit this is a big embarrassment for Democrats and for their own sake I hope that in the future they think twice before they put their foot in the mouths attacking Trump blindly without any evidence.