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Theresa May celebrates Brexit success!

This time her deal was defeated in Parliament by *only* 149 and not 230. Its an improvement. 馃槅#takebackcontrol.
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LeopoldBloomM
Except a "hard Brexit" with no agreement with the EU could crash the British economy. And that could drag Europe and the rest of the world down, too.
jackjjackson61-69, M
You dramatically overvalue yourself. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson What do you mean, "myself?" I've never even been to Great Britain, and they didn't ask me first before they voted on this idiotic plan.

The Irish Backstop is a problem. Keeping an open border between Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland would amount to Britain staying in the EU, but a closed border could mean renewed hostilities. Voters in Northern Ireland were against Brexit.
jackjjackson61-69, M
Britain is able to vote for a border under its own law or vote for no border. @LeopoldBloom
MarmeeMarchM
@LeopoldBloom N. Ireland is in the UK BONEHEAD
LeopoldBloomM
@MarmeeMarch I'm aware of that, idiot! The border between N. Ireland and the Republic of Ireland will be the only land border between Great Britain and the EU. So with a hard Brexit (meaning no border crossing agreement), it will go back to being a fortified border with soldiers and checkpoints.
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson Britain can't just "vote for a border;" by definition, a border will be between them and the EU, so the EU has to go along with whatever Britain decides, or it doesn't mean anything. The supporters of a hard Brexit are opposed to the Irish backstop, because any agreement will amount to their still having to kowtow to the EU. One point of Brexit is the UK controlling its borders. If there is an open border between Ireland and N. Ireland, anyone in the EU could freely travel to Ireland, cross the N. Ireland border, and they'd be in the UK.
jackjjackson61-69, M
All that鈥檚 going on is nattering delay by those who were anti Brexit from the get go. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson They can't delay much longer; they have until March 29 and it happens automatically. With no trade or border agreements, they're going to be fucked.
jackjjackson61-69, M
Seems to,e that when the elite tried to get around the will of the people they got what they deserved. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson I wouldn't call it the "will of the people" if the support for Brexit was 52%. And most of that was in England. Ironically, a hard Brexit could result in N. Ireland unifying with the rest of Ireland, and Scotland and Wales becoming independent countries and rejoining the EU.
jackjjackson61-69, M
52% is a majority and so what. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson Yes, it's a majority, but not an overwhelming one, and not distributed equally around the country.

I don't live there, so they can do what they want. I'm sure they'll eventually adjust to whatever happens.
jackjjackson61-69, M
If every town and village isn鈥檛 s distinct majority the vote doesn鈥檛 count? @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson I meant that different parts of the country had different views. It's not like Brexit was a landslide. Brexit lost in Scotland, so one possibility is that they will declare independence and rejoin the EU as their own country. And that will be a big deal. There hasn't been any border at all between England and Scotland for a long time.
jackjjackson61-69, M
Why isn鈥檛 that OK. You are all grown ups. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloomM
@jackjjackson I have my own opinion, but since I don't live there, i have no say in the matter. My father's parents were born in London but I don't consider myself English.

I am concerned as I don't want people to be killed or for the UK economy to collapse as that will have effects outside the country.

In general, I don't support irredentism. It's usually a bad idea. I'm reading [i]The Federalist Papers[/i] and it makes a good argument for a large, unified political unit under a strong federal government. The EU is a step in that direction, and the UK voting on a slim margin to leave without a coherent plan, just because a bunch of English bumpkins think there are too many Poles in the country, isn't going to work out well for them.