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So i know politics is littered with national emergency threads at the moment but i'm still interested to know:

For those who think trump has made a good, wise and justified decision here, why do you think it was a good, wise and justified decision?

How do you feel about a president using a national emergency to bypass congress in order to achieve his political aims?
Would you be happy if a democratic president did the same?
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SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
It is justified. The border is a nation crisis and needs to be fixed as soon as possible. All these misinformed people are saying, "How could it be an emergency if he didn't have to do it?" That is taken out of context and false. He said he didn't have to speed up the process, but he wanted to. He did NOT say he didn't have to declare this an emergency but he wanted to. He didn't have to speed it up, but he wanted to. Protecting and securing the border will make the country safer and allow us to move onto other problems.

Edit- If a Democratic President wants to do the same thing for a legitimate issue, there is no problem with that. The so called "emergency" of healthcare and firearms are not legitimate.
@SouthernBoxer

Why is it an emergency now and not before he blinked first in the government shutdown?
What do you feel qualifies it as an emergency?

How do you feel about a president using a national emergency to bypass congress in order to achieve his political aims?
Would you be happy if a democratic president did the same?
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@Pikachu It was an emergency then just as much as it is now. He was trying to get it done without going through this path, but the left did not want to allow him. It's absurd that anyone could deny the fact that a secure border is needed.

It is an emergency and needed because you cannot just simply let illegals and other criminals into your country. Many of them bring drugs, the entire drug trafficking side of things is reason enoguh alone. They also bring down neighborhoods, families, schools. Rape and kill innocent people. Some are not as violent as others, but they are all still criminals. It doesn't matter how peaceful one might be, he is still criminal.

If the president's aim is to make the country truly greater and safer, there is nothing wrong with bypassing those trying to stop good from taking place.

If a Democratic President wants to do the same thing for a legitimate issue, there is no problem with that, but most of their ideas are not such. The so called "emergency" of healthcare and firearms are not legitimate.
@SouthernBoxer

[quote]It's absurd that anyone could deny the fact that a secure border is needed.[/quote]

I don't think many are. In fact the democrats offered him many deals...just not the wall.

Tell me, how do you believe a physical wall is going to stop the drugs and illegal immigration when most of the drugs are coming in on trucks or boats or smuggled in and the immigrants are more likely to simply overstay their visas or lie about their travel intentions?


[quote]The so called "emergency" of healthcare and firearms are not legitimate.
[/quote]

The united states has an absurd level of gun violence for a developed nation and mass shootings are on the rise.
How is that less of an emergency than border security?
strongbow · 46-50, M
@SouthernBoxer Dont waste your time on that libtard, he's not even american, just some jealous Eurotrash with TDS
@strongbow

lol looks like someone's upset....
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@Pikachu Many of them are. It's all about doing what you can to help. A secure wall would help and is better than what we currently have.

Democrats mostly want stricter gun laws. Gun laws have nothing to do with it. The people that are involved in gun-crimes are outlaws and don't care about the law. It's the same with drugs. Drugs are banned yet they still show up in absurd quantities. The same would happen with guns. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws yet is still one of the most violent and gun crime heavy cities.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
President Obama circumvented Congress and used an EO to do the Iran deal. Simply using the same playbook. @Pikachu
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@strongbow I'm starting to see that. he keeps deleting your posts like a true revisionist history liberal.
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@Pikachu You are skewing the facts and can't even understand what he said in a 1 minute clip. Also, you delete posts you disagree with. There's no point in talking to you.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
He’s rubber and you’re glue. @Pikachu
strongbow · 46-50, M
@SouthernBoxer Yeah they scatter and cower themselves like the cockroaches they are, even the eurotrash ones
@jackjjackson

And do you think that's a good idea?
@SouthernBoxer

Dude. Come on. Deleting huge pictures about trumps drinking democrat tears or whatever is not exactly revisionist history lol
@SouthernBoxer

[quote]Many of them are.[/quote]

I think you may be wrong about that.
Can you source that for me? Many democrats saying that america doesn't need secure borders?

[quote]Democrats mostly want stricter gun laws. Gun laws have nothing to do with it. The people that are involved in gun-crimes [/quote]


Hmm. That's not really an answer to the question i asked you. I didn't ask if stricter gun laws were the right way to deal with the problem, i asked you why border security is an emergency but gun violence is not.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Hell yes. @Pikachu
@jackjjackson

sorry, hell yes what?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I support the President EO issued today. @Pikachu
OggggO · 36-40, M
@SouthernBoxer The border is not in crisis.
@jackjjackson

oh, ok
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SouthernBoxer[quote]I'm starting to see that. he keeps deleting your posts like a true revisionist history liberal.[/quote] [quote]Also, you delete posts you disagree with.[/quote]
When the author of the post deletes something, the deleted message says "deleted by the author of the post".
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JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
[quote]but the left did not want to allow him[/quote]

The bill passed the Republican majority Senate.

It’s called compromise.

Leaders in his own party don’t consider it an emergency.

Trump is just afraid that Anne Coulter will call him a pussy again. He secretly hopes he can grab her pussy someday. He just wants to keep his options open.

@SouthernBoxer
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
@MarmeeMarch Awesome!
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@SouthernBoxer the thing about an emergency is you have to do it.

But reality is what you want to be.

Peace, bro.